Gammalite

Gammalite and Davis share the BOAY fixed Cup , with 2 x second place-getters each and 4 points each. (quick phone call to AGH after he won the Derby with KRUG , to make sure Bolt for Brilliance gets beat a nose and Davis doesn't take the BOAY fixed Cup away , has worked fine) THIRD with a win each and 3 Points each: Galah (Copy that), MikeyNZ (Temporale) , Ludwig (Krug) , Ritchie (Special Way), Hunter (Better Twist)

Are you holding back' with your dollar bet? and gunna charge home with a late burst at Auckland for Karrots?

No way Karrots , John Dunn KNEW exactly who was coming around, he's not that stupid. Great driving by him on 2nd horse Race 2 Addington, did everything but win. Please don't worry , I'm being positive here !!! I loved the AUCKLAND CUP drives, from ALLstars, brilliant all round. I loved the DUNN stable drives just then at Addington race 2 , Is first class driving at it's best. Originally From last night I thought Butcher could of helped THE BANKER a bit more, (plus weakened the favourite with a bit of ALLstars/ Dunn type tactics ) but he Still WON the race JUST , so ALL good !!!!!

Exactly !! and just like the great horse Gammalite, sit outside them (or lead if possible) and grind them into the ground , with just an average driver, but even tougher than old boots, (chewed those up for dinner) and WIN anyway .

Yes, but I would argue because of the 'Brilliant' team driving the 2nd Placegetter did everything but beat your selection. Because they looked after each other so well. Either one wins with 50 to go. and you had CLASSIE BRIGADE 'marking' the Whitesox Just in case. But he too seems a shadow of former self.

Just looking at Addington Race 2 , only 6 in it , including 3 DUNN runners. Brilliant display of Stable Driving !!! (they obviously been watching ALLstars) absolute perfection. All three Dunn runners 'looking after' each other. Had the MAIN OPPONENT Whitssox parked in the death, just where they wanted it , Ran 1st and 2nd easily . Group 1 winner battling 4th . Perfect !!! Big stables , lots of runners= HUGE advantage , just as you say (handing up lead and what-not)

I found Allstars to be a major 'Turn-on' as a punter heheheh, ALWAYS, any race, I got a run for my money. In fact I could say thousands in front on punting Allstars, Sweet F all off the other NZ stables , lol...... Here's a big stable Karrots , in the last tonight. Surely You, and The Galah and everyone else would expect Steve TELFER with 5 runners , to work a plan in this race of tactics to defeat the other 3 runners.?????? Or is it 'Go and do your best and play for luck. hahaha He has the first 3 favoured runners , so SURELY should be able to do a little ALLstars magic ?? or Captain Nemo leads and wins?? Gammalite says Number 1 with Herlihy , lead at all costs !!!! hahaha lol.. If Captain Nemo leads he could win? Gammalite says if Captain Nemo has the pace to lead, one of the other 4 Telfers needs to 'take him on' lol...... everyone still trying to win with these tactics , BUT making it harder for the MAIN OPPONENT to do so ???? 776217 Sing To Me 3 f R47 1 Ft Tony Herlihy Steve & Amanda Telfer 2 214265 Captain Nemo 3 c R48 2 Ft Zachary Butcher Ray Green 3 834277 Happy Place 6 g R51 3 Ft Joshua Dickie Sheryl Wigg 4 21X9 Cloudy Bay 3 f R52 4 Ft Todd Macfarlane Steve & Amanda Telfer 5 265321 Richmond Tiger 4 g R52 5 Ft Andrew Drake(J) Craig Sharpe 6 16X2X Cashlodo Flybye 4 m R53 6 Ft Benjamin Butcher Steve & Amanda Telfer 7 843X41 Cya Art 3 g R54 7 Ft James Stormont Steve & Amanda Telfer 8 012439 Show Me Heaven 3 f R55 8 Ft Brent Mangos Steve & Amanda Telfer

Absolutely and totally an ADVANTAGE to have more than 1 stable runner in a race. (sad for you maybe) NOT sad for the stable though, See if you can watch replay of Group 1 AUCKLAND CUP Dec31. Brilliance !!! Main opponent flushed out into the 'death seat' and all !!, (so Copy That only got 3rd after tough run) fantastic. AND all the Stable runners DID run on their own merits (as in having every chance to win ) Perfection at it's absolute Ultimate Peak!! on display for us to All admire and Behold. (great for punters too !!)

Goes without saying Karrots , Race tactics are what WIN you races. (as perfected by ALLstars) Of course you can USE your stablemate , (as well as any other runner) to enhance your chances in the race. Because you KNOW what they are 'Likely to do" . That helps you as much as them. It's ONLY natural that , If you are going to get Beaten in a race, it would be GREAT if it was the stablemate. You aren't driving for 'opposition' stables to win. EXAMPLE If David Butcher gave up the lead in R6 last night, to his stablemate, I predict he would of won MUCH easier than he did. PLUS his stablemate would of had 'more chance' than death sitting as well. A good thing?? As it was the main opponent (FAV) had a great trip (PULLtheOtherLEG) and nearly blew them both away. By letting Stablemate take lead, (something you wouldn't of let the FAV have) you would of been 'Using It' to beat the Favourite . Fav would of been death seating instead and it's chances GREATLY REDUCED. a good thing ?? FAIR PLAY it is!!!!! , to try and beat the main opponent , AND look after your stablemate same time. excellent !! ??

@ 2 coffees so far today lol..... !! heheh definitely yes ! to your questions there Karrots !! Us your stablemate to beat the favourite if you can ! for sure ! The tactics used nearly resulted in being 2nd and 3rd for Donnelly only.(held by a nose only) My tactics , an easy Donnelly Quinella , not sure what order, But the Fav that got second would of been struggling. All's Fair in Love and War. lol....... congrats to winner though , JUST did enough.

Incorrect Karrots !!! lol, being cheeky I would say if Butcher in front gave the lead to stablemate The Banker , when it circled field , they run First and second for sure IMO. That Would of left the favourite (Pull the otherLeg), 'parked out' for Lap and a 1/2 and it would of battled into third , (instead of nearly winning the race ,and it would of in one more stride after getting 1-1 trail) lol........... ALLSTARS would of run first and second with those Donnelly runners for sure and certain?? lol..... Butcher got lucky and held on the photo by a snotter, What a Fab trainer ARNA DONNELLY is turning into.

That was strange. Lap full of horse 400m out had eased off fence nicely to follow the winner home bend, all excellent so far. Then went back inside it (the 1-1 horse) again??? undid all the good work. got blocked and very lucky to even snatch 3rd. You would only do that if horse very tired. cost himself the win in all probability. You sure a right with saying Punters wouldn't enjoy that sort of thing with a favourite.

Hahaha..... i'm 3 hours behind you all the time !!! hahahaha lucky Not a race with you, as you would Win the race, take the trophy at presentation , take horse home again and tuck it in lol, just as Gammalite gets onto track ,lol.... Sportsbet here is all I have . Better Twist $1.40 only and It's All ABout Faith at $3.20 , so yes just $4.50 is the odds for my bet as you suggested. Looks a good one but !!! hehehehe

Of course I meant the horse Noodlum could join the other horses. as missing a start. I realise now it would seem mean of me as 'some' wouldn't realise you actually are in the comp still. was just for a laugh and fun. honestly wasn't supposed to come across mean spirited. your last 10 years DQ horse list is fine on that thread, shows a section of trainers with errors. some rather lucky not to get DQ too to go along with the horse. (caffiene, etc) Incidently , for those that might not realise Noodlum is MULDOON spelt backwards. The National Party Prime Minister 'Piggy' Robert Muldoon of NZ from 1975 to 1984 (my whole teenhood in NZ co-incidently) Maybe Brodie and some others, have a picture of 'Piggy' on the wall in his kitchen ? as not Labour Fans I'm feeling at times.......

Derby Day !! big Group Racing without ALLSTARS ? quite a sight. Well the Oaks and Derby distance of 2700m will be a bit new and too far for most of them. So with the 'Allstars residue' sure to be trained as stayers , I'm up for a Cullen Oaks -Derby double.!!!! BETTER TWIST and IT'S ALL ABOUT FAITH at about 5-1 for the double.

Spot on Chief !! the pre-race blood testing they do here is a 'Great guide' to show 'somethings up'. ! they may know not know exactly at the time , and lots of tests conducted to see what it is/ was. AND you can be sure, the Stewards will be all over that trainers runners like a rash , the next time he lines up runners (after they receive notice of a blood irregularity from the Lab) and swabs will be taken all over the place. lol.

But eventually it will. I mentioned milkshakes and elephant juice through this thread , as they were relatively common in use, at some stage , but when accurate testing brought in they stopped overnight. well actually time to time, each month or 2, a MUG trainer will get caught still with a raised bicarb CO2 threshold and be bundled out !!! THAT is why I said it is much more likely to be a desparado small stable breaking the rules, than the smarter BIG stables , (not stupid enough to do that ) using out-ruled treatments , earlier to you. Sure if you are using something that testing doesn't Pick up , Why not use it if it helps horse ??

Haha there are 'different' elements in the pre-race milkshakes Chief. At one stage it was suggested BEst results were if administered just one hour before Race-time with certain mixes. That caused a few horses to go missing on a walk from the stabling area on occasion. lol .not stables I was with , but there were some prominent ones BTW , I swear on dead mother and fathers graves I Never once gave a pre-race drench... so don't think little of me. lol..... (only drive at speed limits too lol...)

Yes am sure All the worlds top cyclists for example take 'wear and tear' shots everyday. You just can't perform at that level riding over Mountain ranges , etc day after day without performance enhancing drugs. They made a big deal about Lance Armstrong , but it take a LONG TIME to trace all the drugs and 'Masking ' agents used. The Truth is , they all take something to feel good, look good ,GO good ....... day after day. Horses all get something to help with that too, I used to tube saline drench every Sunday , all the Saturday night Metro runners and give them a swim and they'd be feeling great again by Monday, ready for another crack next weekend. Part of the challenge is keeping them well (Pentosan sounds useful Chief!!) , then you drive them well, then you win. (All going well)

curious, Is that because of Budget to afford treatments? or the outstanding results over 30-40 years that lead you to predict 'Not tested for' performance enhancers.? from the 'obvious ' stable. Why not relatives like brother Barry ? (miracle mile wins over the years) brother in law Tony Herlihy (wins galore) or Nat's sister Vicki Rassmussen ? (outstanding QLD results) They are on talking terms and ALL win heaps ?

Hahahaha No , joint disease treatment. thankfully the old joints are ok at present so don't need any, maybe crack another beer though ! lol.........

In NZ , i think you will find is the reference

Most trainers give a Vitamin B to keep horses well, but yes the ALLStars had / have incredible record as per Waller and Te Akau for doing everything so well and looking for the edge on opponents (as well as fab riders/ drivers) The ALLSTARS horses are even 'labelled urgent' with the ugly white nasal patches (Dunn's Use them a bit too) so you can see straight away , they have that something extra on the rivals externally, let alone internally , lol........... The nasal strips giving that extra metre or 2 because horse had tiny bit more Oxygen than rival. Brilliant !!

There wasn't accurate testing for that substance at the time , that the horse (and many others ) perished from or partly because of (obviously effected the hearts) to confirm cause of death. Obviously, once the testing arrived at the swab lab's , the substance was made illegal , and it disappeared from use.

A Truely Great Result !! if that is true. There Must be just good horsepeople and clean horses 99% of time . think about it, and you see the RIU doesn't 'WANT ' to catch people . It helps deter them. Just like the Booze Bus, they don't want to catch people 'over the limit' if possible. But will if they have to. Without them there would be drunks driving everywhere. BUT With them about, People 'try' and do the right thing , and stay under the allowed limits. As Trainers do with their beloved racehorses and their treatments. (didn't RIU catch out McGrath?) Excellent !! I always said it's all good and what is everyone going on about.????? Accusing ALLSTARS all the time by so many is just Unwarranted. Mainly because for years and years they have Won races in Australia too (different testing of swabs/ bloods than NZ) and would NOT of got away with any illegal administrations in the horses. As you say NOTHING to find.