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Well the bookmakers have to fit all the runners into an opening percentage of 133 - 140% They can't have them all short or the math doesn't work. If they open some too short then there must be some too long as well.

New Zealand but get cracking Brodie as they are not very good at it. I can see it being AI priced and AI traded in the future.

I remember saying this a long time ago on here that once the UK customer risk framework arrived on our shores then there would be more restrictions and complete bans from some bet types.

The single biggest source of funding for NZ harness racing is wagering. Hence why they try to keep the Brodies of this world away from taking away too much profit. Also why they need optimal field sizes of 10 or more to keep the funding going and not decreasing.

Don't worry Brodie they are going to class all the tracks into Metropolitan, Regional and Country that will fix it!

I am surprised they didn't try to program Ashburton and Invercargill on the same day. Wouldn't be the first time.

The trouble with the Ashburton fields when you have aged based racing and all ratings allowed per division, you get some very uneven fields. There will be a few horses paying sub 1.50 making those races not much of a betting proposition. Open class Little Spike who has been giving Merlin a run for his money vs a field of one and two win horses. He is going to be 1.22 in that field. Greased Lightning another who will be unbackable in his race. The only saving grace will be the draws over a mile for some of the other races where the favourites are wider out on the back line, but still some uneven looking races.

Now that is some real gobbledygook right there. Lol copying Australia is not going to fix New Zealands problems. Copying Australia you say? Wonder where they got the new track Hierachy of Metropolitan, Regional and Community from.

Not sure? Even if he was slightly down with his betting I suppose the rebates would have been a big help to him.

I know two guys who have sold up and who are moving to Aussie early next. Removal of rebates the final straw for one of them. Big punter he is

Yes I agree they are not the most clever bunch when it comes to increasing turnover and keeping valued customers. The trouble is they are in a vicious circle now. Turnover is down and they are running out of money because through stupid decisions they have turned away or restricted so many punters. Now one of their main ways to fix this is to restrict more punters. They have done away with the rebates for elite punters and think giving punters more bonus bets to spend instead is a great idea. What about those punters who have to bet on tote because you have restricted the piss out of them. How do they spend their bonus bets if they cant bet fixed odds?

That is one of the red flags used by risk management to identify punters at risk to their operation. You might only get away doing it a couple of times before they hit you with the restrict hammer. Cash outs with a decent profit and not letting it ride another one of their red flags. Do it too many times and you are gone burger.

Not sure but the site has gone backwards badly in the last year or so. It is not good enough for an organization with millions at its disposal to produce such a crap experience for it customers. FIX IT!

Anyone else having issues accessing race form from Harness Racing New Zealand. Has been down for me the last few days. Not good enough from our only source of data. No wonder the race by race turnover is in the toilet.

Opened way over the odds. If the horse was racing at Manawatu it would have been sub $5.00. Bookies simply got it wrong like they do a lot of the time these days. Take those opportunities while you can. A few of the Aussie bookmakers are using AI now for their Aussie harness opening prices, I got told by someone working at one of the main ones. Not long before it happens here. They open them at any old price but don't let anyone on for any big amounts until there is liquidity in the pools and by that time the market has sorted it self into something close to true odds. Yes there will be overs on many runners early but the catch is you cant get much on at those prices. I am picking 3-6 months before AI pricing is introduced here.

Kingman has sat outside Leap To Fame and beat him twice. I don't think Don Hugo could do that but time will tell.

Betcha is down for me also. Same message

Shit I couldn't even have a bet on the last couple. Someone pulled the pin.

They are saying the turnover as a total has not gone down. That is probably true as they have put on more meetings. We need to know the turnover per race data as an average which paints a true picture. I believe they have this information but are unlikely to be sharing it because I heard it is not good reading. In fact the North Island meetings race by race data will be giving them a heart attack. They probably are doing all they can to flush the North Island data down the toilet.

That is a complete copout and also a load of horse shit. A monitoring and review group can’t meaningfully assess the turnover performance without full access to race by race turnover data. They should be able to give a very accurate assessment of everything turnover related and if they can not then the report is a waste of time.

Imagine what Howard Bromac would have done if Mark Purdon had been driving it. The night it sat three wide outside the leaders in a strong inter dom heat to win was massive. Got murdered in many of its races. I was at Forbury when it sat outside London Legend and got beat a short margin at one of its last runs.

Well the industry will pay if Entain can’t get their bottom line up. Owners, trainers, breeders and clubs will cop it through reduced stakes in the long run if overheads do not come down. Entain guaranteed funding runs out 2027/2028? After that I presume funding becomes subject to Entains actual performance which based on the red flags over the last few months is not that great.

I do not rate Kirk Larsen as a good driver at all and never have. The drive on his two year old today was tactically atrocious. It had a good sit three deep the fence in a small field and he comes to out to attack the favourite with a full lap to go. Christ his horses must sleep well at night.

Word on the street is numbers might be up slightly this year which is a positive sign

I think the decision makers might very well be brain dead or close to it, unless their aim is to kill off the tote or racing altogether.