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Yet again , Love Racing post a story about the Browne's imminent move , as if it's a positive story about NZ racing . They are standing in the shit but still can't smell it .

Richards may not be going to Aus but gossip is David and Emma Browne have decided it's the place to be , got 40 boxes at Cranbourne and moving next month . So the training ranks of young up and comers gets thinner .

Just seen the field for the " Cup ", could have saved themselves 250k and called it the " Wellington Hack Cup " for 50k , how far the mighty have fallen . It's embarrassing even calling that field a cup field . That's the NZ cup and now the Wellington cup that have had sub standard fields for the prestige races , wonder how Auckland is going to fair . Both races should be down graded after this season .

I thought most of our racing already was picnic racing .

I seem to have dropped into a twilight zone , thought it was a thread about Jamie Richards .

I agree Huey , it must be getting boring , i do wonder if the the delay in getting a stable going in Aus because of Covid has had an influence in his decision . It would be interesting to know if it was a team decision to put Aus on hold or DE's alone . I think he thought that was his stepping stone to a permanent move . I also believe HK is purely a stepping stone till a real opportunity opens up in Aus , i would think 4/5 years in HK then move . IMO where ever he goes he will be a massive success , got all the attributes and the owners in HK will love him and so long as he is winning getting horses wont be an issue . Got all the attributes as you say and TA are going to be the lesser for him going . I never got M Walker , to much of the corporate speak when he was there , and definitely doesn't have the public persona that Richards has , so will be interesting when he comes back .

So much for me bitching about the CD missing out on holiday raceday , i have just noticed that NZTR haven't programmed a meeting for Auckland Anniversary Monday either , has their policy now become not to programme meetings when people are free and looking for some entertainment . I would have thought as with the Wellington Anniversary that holiday Monday would have more of an audience than a midweek . They obviously have research telling them people wont bet on a holiday weekend but will when they are work . Just as well we are in such capable hands .

As ever the media only ever cover the aspects of our industry that give the anti brigade leverage , i have just seen an article on Stuff about the demise of McKenzie Lad , yes they mentioned his win but would his win have made the same coverage without the tragic events that followed . Nothing on stuff about the Karaka Millions meeting , no that was too positive for them .

Confirmed that McKenzie Lad broke a leg after the winning post and was euthanised , rough for the connections , thoughts are with them .

They have some real issues there , along with the state of the track things are a bit amateurish , not a good look for one of our supposed metropolitan tracks .

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Got any nice names in the last 2 races , i need a hand .

Never said i back what is most likely to , i back what i think will win . I backed Dragon Queen in the second because i thought it was due on form , good draw and better than the 1 win mare that she was , 21's way overs , the fav bloated the prices and i wasn't convinced she has really come up as a 4yo , which often happens with mares , so you should have backed the winner on what you are saying .

Each to his own , but i don't see the point looking for an over priced horse if i don't think it can win . Saying that i am looking at more than one horse to start with but have usually narrowed it down to my pick by Saturday morning , once i know weather , track conditions , jockey , barrier etc . But good luck to you .

Yeah , none of the corporate speak , will be a huge loss but eventually Australia will be his home and he is good enough . It will be interesting to see how things change if any when Walker comes back .

Racing is brutal , really feel for the Pitman's . Hope it is not as bad as it looked .

I'm sure there is someone who knows more than us and bring some research that can be forth coming telling us why the track is playing the way it . Less of the " Seniors " please .

Absolute joke Joe , seems nobody at Trentham , Race or NZTR have any idea how to prepare this track , cup day next week , do we think it will be any different . As soon as i seen the first race i re evaluated my bets , nothing drawn in that runs handy . But it is sad to watch the grand old lady in this state .

I have decided that i am going to stick another promising 3yo down that way in Avitus , have been on him from the start and i think there is a good horse in him , nice juicy odds too . One of the more interesting races of the day , let's hope the jockeys ride the race with the respect it deserves .

Proper horseman know their horses , others read books and believe they know all the answers to anything and everything , but nothing beats years of hands on experience , in any line of work . One of the reasons our industry is in the shit is people who have a lot of book knowledge but no real ability keep getting control . I've met enough people who can spout research babble but are completely clueless with the realities .

I was going to answer a couple of other things you said but after your first response i can see as ever you are going to keep throwing your argument at it until everyone gets bored , as per usual . Maybe if you had real hands on experience with racehorses i could put up with your continued rhetoric , people with hands on experience are telling you what they have seen and dealt with on the ground dealing with the real world racing animal issues , but you continue to belittle their experience as amounting to naught . Don't waste your time responding , i wont be saying anymore . You have become as annoying on this site as much as the couple on the other channel x have become , you simply can't have a discussion without needing to over power the discussion with your point of view .

Of course they have , and a large part of the breed hasn't been inbred , good breeders are always looking for an outcross , Why? , but because they stopped breeding the toughest most of the time to just breeding the fastest and prettiest the breed has definitely become a much finer animal and hence the attrition rate is down to so called improved training methods with not so physically tough horses . Massively improved nutrition and veterinary practices along with medication have balanced that out somewhat . Hence Lasix which masks the the lesser horse who's lungs can't handle the pressure of training and racing . Is it an improvement . As i mentioned in another thread the large number of yearlings that the big stables purchase , only a small percentage of those horses ever make an impact on the track , why? , a lot are simply not athletic enough , as in no ability , but a large proportion are broken down by the training regimes undertaken to pressure these young horses and get them up and running for the big money . Here in Australasia a large portion of our richest prizes are for 2yo and 3yo's , Nz only has 2 1Milliom dollar races , both for young horses . In Australia they are happy if a young horse can win a big race even if it breaks it , and history has proven that a lot of top 2/3yo's never come back . Improved feed and vet practices aren't all about making the horse just a better race horse but are just about a horses well being which in turn can improve a horses performance , more about good practice and caring for your horses well being . I never done a blood to know if my horses were well before a race , i worked daily with my horses so i knew them inside out so i knew when my horses were not , bloods were only ever taken to confirm what my eyes had seen and to find out how sick the horse was , that is an improvement because then allows me to make an informed decision on what has to be done to get the animal better . The big stables that continually do bloods before a race do so because they don't always have their eyes on the horses as much as a small trainer , plus they aren' paying the bills .

I missed nothing , you never mention how many horses suffer from EIPH , i would say that that figure would be higher . I have no understanding of your hands on experience of training race horses but the majority of people that i know that train horses knew that the vast majority of horses in training and racing bled to some extent , i would say with enough exertion but i had one that had a very small bleed after very light pace work , when scoped the tear was barely 2/3 mls . Why? no idea , just like most vets . I myself if i exerted myself enough when i was playing sport which being competitive was most of the times had bleeding in my lungs , i could always taste the iron in my mouth after the game , fortunately never required me to go on Lasix . If Waller is using Lasix he will not be using it as a daily preventative on all horses , as with most things with racehorses we tend to be reactive , which is understandable as horses can't talk so we require a physical sign of an issue . Most racehorses while accepted that they bleed to some extent never have any great issue with it . It becomes serious when it shows in the nostril/s , some jurisdictions are comfortable with blood in one nostril , requiring blood in both before a mandatory stand down , other like NZ one nostril to get a stand down . Now as for how many of my 35+ horses bled it could well be all of them but only 2 ever presented with blood in the nostrils that alerted that the issue was much worse . i like many never scoped one of them , accepted that he had bled from a lesion on his lungs so just gave him a long spell and trained him as normal , did i use the aspirin trick , maybe , maybe not , but he coped with a normal training regime , 3 trials to make sure all was well , the last a strong test , no issues , went to the races and bled and retired . But why did he bleed after so much traing and trials , ?????? , ask a vet you get pretty much the same response , yes they will give you some science but if he was under oath , no idea m'lord . So are people using Lasix as a preventative measure for sure a very small % will be , good luck to them , i would rather put my horse under normal stresses to find out if there is an ongoing issue , Lasix just masks it , till they stop and take the chance .

Don't talk crap , the numbers of horse6 that would be on lasix would be very small, I've had 35 or more horses and not one has had lasix, and don't know anybody that does, but I'm sure it is being used. And racehorses are doing exactly what they are bred to , refined for 100s of years in fact. But as I said using lasix is a game of lotto , it isn't just given to every horse it is given for a specific reason , a weakness in the lungs . It aslo doesn't stop horses from bleeding again . But you think it's ok for a horse to train and then go out and find out under racing conditions that it's worked. Lotto.

Don't be a twat , are we better off for being run as corporate , stakes are stagnating because of the excessive spending of industry money by these so called business men . And we're still not sure if we are out of the woods , as you keep banging on about that we don't have a clue how the " business " is doing , never get the figures . We have no idea where our bottom line is .