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More 2nds ? what's wrong with the horse.? Ricky Bobby wouldn't like it 😆

Starship? . This bloke in photo says 'Who's that? 😎 . Send him over And we'll see who gets the Chocolates. Starship just crumb's

stick with 'Tab the Terrible' . sounds good 😂 Ya just rubbin em' Up' the wrong way TABman . Your knowledge is very good so no-one likes that sort of thing 😉. Who loves a smart-arse lol? . Chief copped plenty of grief for Knowing too Much recently at other places , compared to the locals there, who just resort to name calling , because that's all they know/knew on some topics. Anyway Who wants to debate with someone that they actually like ? better to get some robust discussion going with a 'plugger you are trying to get the best of.😎 ( that's where Chief lost a few rivals here ) he won the arguments with them so they disappeared to other sites and hold grudges 🤣. Think the real 'Stayers' and 'Sprinters" here have got Chief under control so he has to improve his debating skills lol . Used to take my daughter to highschool debating each week against the Private girls schools. I immeadiately didn't like them 😆. might of been those grizzly South Islanders in the opponents teams?😋 . maybe Not a happy place ? I never lived there but must be like Tasmania . need 6 jumpers and a good arguement to keep warm lol. 😅

Looks Like Kate Gath Has thwarted the Larajay Vale Greg Sugars FFA, memorial to Greg Sugars , and taken victory with NZ bred Tango Tara for Norm Jenkin. ( the great trotter Tornado Valley owner) Kate also beat Jess Tubbs (Greg Sugars wife) in the first race at Melton Saturday in a mid class trot with the Volstead mare PINNIE. Kate Didn't quite round out the Treble though as I'M READY JET who she bought to Cambridge recently for the Big TAB Slot Trot was beaten narrowly a head by KEAYANG ZAHARA. resuming from that amazing 3 year old year 2024 . KEAYANG Zahara remains undefeated 15 from 15 , including that Big Addington treble late last year in the Ascent and Nz Trotting Derby and NZ trotting Oaks. Will be interesting to see if she handles Open Class now as a 4 yearold ? good win first up to kick it off. 🏆 HEre's the results of the Vale Greg Sugars FFA. Pl Horse Prize- money Row & Br TAB # Trainer Driver (C = Concession) Mgn (m) Starting odds 1 TANGO TARA NZ $ 12,825 Fr4 4 Andy Gath Kate Gath $8.00 BROWN GELDING 9 by A ROCKNROLL DANCE USA out of TARA DELIGHT (NZ) (BETTORS DELIGHT USA) Owner(s): N (Norm) Jenkin Breeder(s): R P (Raymond) Anicich 2 ROCKNROLL HAMMER NZ $ 3,375 Fr6 6 Jess Tubbs James Herbertson 4.10 $ 2.40 3 CURLY JAMES $ 2,250 Fr2 2 Courtney Laker Mark Pitt 6.20 $4.40 4 TRIPLE EIGHT NZ $ 1,125 Fr5 5 Jess Tubbs Kerryn Manning 6.90 $8.00 5 OUR VINCENT CAN GOGH NZ $ 675 Fr3 3 Julie Douglas Ellen Tormey 10.0 $21.00 6 BETTER ECLIPSE $ 450 Sr2 9 Jess Tubbs Craig Demmler 12.00 $8.50 7 DIAMOND ECLIPSE $ 450 Fr1 1 John Newberry Matt Newberry 12.70 $21.00 8 CAPTAIN BELLASARIO $ 450 Sr1 8 Jayne Davies Jack Laugher 16.80 $10.00

still won 2 races early in the Auckland card with 2 nice South Islanders in General Jen and Redpark Warrior and also placed in 3 Group races on the night for Hopes and Emaa Stewart as well. It's just the 5 Allstars drives that ran unplaced that Blair drove. There's your Big drop off in form Chief. as I predicted from last week .

That's all it takes at the top level. Well Blair lost about 6 lengths with Chase A Dream in the Roy Purdon Memorial Chief. drove it a bit hard though , in a quality field. only a shadow of When Mark ran 2nd to Leap To Fame with him. Young Carter now with the Best horse in NZ as Republican Party takes AKLD Cup, Messenger and Roy Purdon Memorial group 1's . well done to the Dalgety Family . Great to see BET N WIN take the Rowe Cup for the Whites. Thought Muscle Mountain would bolt that in , but only 4th. The 'Queen' went very nicely for Chris ALford into 3rd spot. She's a real treasure and always gives her best. Bad Luck for Blair Orange . Had 5 Allstars drives for didley squat tonight. No wins again for the starry team . Mark back in the bike soon ?

Well Greg O'Connor gave the Nigel syndicates a big plug after the Cool for Cats win on the race coverage. The 'Bounce' may of not got the money , but the Westview and Unhinged and Witches lot's get a Group 2 Delightful Lady Classic instead. There'll be a few photos sold tonight ? 😂 And beat a Emma Stewart runner too by half head , which is an incredible achievement. Didn't see that coming. Ripples should of had them on toast , but Blair looked to be struggling with her a bit. Needed Cam Hart driving it and it would of won by a length like Swayzee lol 😁

Think they must have a very large number of horses on their books as well, as have a lot (large number) of different starters each year. Cocktails and Caviar won well in the first race in the end, and driven real well too . Chmiel did a great job and held them all out by a length easy in the end. TakethePlunge only a photo print out of 2nd after going wide last half , but only 4th . go well with a good draw . Blair getting some wins at Auckland already for the Cullens and MarK Jones too. getting well warmed up for the Allstars drives by the look of it ? 😎

Certainly enjoys his racing . Knows all the horses and trainers and that going back for years. You're probably ahead of him assessing 'Track conditions ' though Chief. Maybe we should use him as the BOAY rep in the run to save Alexandra Park from it's demise ?. I have a new method/theory/idea/ we could use to Save the day and Pay the ATC debt. and have the best harness racing in the Southern Hemishere. 👍🏆🙂

Nigel and Family got a nice reward with BOUNCE n BEYOND winning a Golden Gait for them in December. He resumes tonight for first start since that win, so with you mentioning the dedicated man Nigel , might as well have a tenner on it in Race 5, to cheer him on . Go The Bouncer !!! 🦘🦘💰

you can't get out in that weather mate .😆 I just saw the Addington and Auckland forecasts today and it is lousy lousy. think it said 11 and 14 (during the day ? ) talk about live in a freezer. Some of unhinged Videos of the Winners during the week at Addington looked like they were battling a blizzard almost. 😎 You kiwi's are Super tough. Some of his videos at the beach of Dunns training just leave you shivering. am eternally grateful for the 10 months a year didn't even have to wear a jacket training in QLD . ☀️ t shirt, shorts and helmet ☀️ and away you go. our Mid winter days it still usually reaches 20 degrees during the day. great for training all year round.

NoworNever just above is suggesting it's a travel and experience thing for those Telfer runners . Seems a bit cruel on Punters and owners if that is the case. Can't they get them fit at home anymore ?

seems a particularly weak field for Akatea's race. The other Telfer one that Newmarket mentioned is up against much better horses and trainers? . Cocktails and Cav is only showing $1.90 ?? as well in race 1 😳, And 2 of it's 3 wins were over a year ago. Up against some good trainers like Regan Todd, Mark Jones and Steven Reid in the first race , CandC seems only a runners chance?. TakethePlunge (No 7) looks the one to beat for me with Ricky May on, from 1 then 2 and 5 for the First4.

getting too Cynical😋 . I loved Craig Ferguson late last year when driving Marketplace brilliantly , and also winning the NZ Derby too at 15-1 ( We Walk By Faith ) , but after a 'Bit Of A Yarn arguement' converted me to serving it up to him as well😉 . Getting beat on Marketplace a couple of times lately , and Mo and DSD . we're a fickle bunch🤣. Yeah , get Nathan to lift his game too 😋 Allstars owners don't need the cash at all Chief. so don't see them selling very often. Chris Alford is probably staying with them . and is driving the Queen too.(Queen Elida In the Rowe Cup) .The trainer ex-pat Brent Lilley learnt the trotters craft at Roy and Barry Purdons a long time ago , before shifting to Victoria and doing very well . Think he won an Interdominion Trot final once.

They have 8 runners tonight in some good races. Let's see how they go then. I'd back some of them with Natalie or Mark driving.they just don't go the same for Blair ( nor Cox for years of trying either ) Interestingly Chief , In a feature Group 2 tonight the Delightful Lady Classic. Chris Alford from Victoria is driving one of the Allstars runners , while the Victorian Favourite Ripples is being driven by Mr Orange. ?? that All seems a bit wierd to me ? is Blair hired help to prepare the Allstars or not? Nathan should just hit the Gym and lose some kilos and drive them himself. stop that sort of thing happening .Nathan drove quite a few winners in Aussie once. Just being a bit lazy getting the Big training bucks from the millionaire owners I think 🤣😂 would do him good.

Terrific summary of some great results TABman. the question was . Why have they dropped off the winners list a bit lately ? The Galah thinks since Natalie left she took the 'gear supply' chain with her lol. (I doubt that, but it's not out of the realms of possibilities ) he thought Covid disrupted the supply. something he can argue with Chief about. The Galah thinks with Blair driving/ training at home the team they should continue winning the same. I disagree and as you mentioned earlier he doesn't train his own , nor driven the Interdominion winner , nor many things. Mark has had Lazarus conquer everything. (Lazarus the best NZer ever) and Natalie had Blacks A Fake conquer everything ( Blackie being the best Aussie ever (until superseeded by old hubby Grant with Larry recently )) Therefore the Amazing Dream ( love the pun there 😂 ) combo of MARK and NATALIE we're always gunna Smash the Australasia world together. And they Did. Chief thinks the Allstars results are still fine. But most have noticed the drop off in number of wins even though the prizemoney is still good from placing in the Big races . ( e.g were 2nd in the Betcha race to Larry to earn good money) Anyway . it's great seeing Regan Todd , and Carter and Hayden winning the Big ones these days . apart from the Aussies. Note the Vic's have Emma Stewart sent a runner over to beat the Allstars tonight at Alexandra Park tonight as well . You guys are bleeding winners to the Aussie bleeders real bad now , with Aussies turning up all the time lol. 😎 The QLD trotter looks a bit weak though in the Rowe Cup tonight though 🙄. You should win that 🤣. Hope Ben Hope doesn't get cleaned up by the stable-mate at the start again like last week lol 🤣 silly standing start.

wow that was amazingly BAD. the Stonewall Lot had 18 starters at Manawatu the 2 days this week (where they run about a slow 60 second last half generally) for a return of 2 x 3rds (from the same horse Captains Secret ) he is the stable star picking up $1000 twice. wow that is such a waste of everyone's time and money ( punters too) that it defies belief . Luckily they have Good filly Stella Rouge at home in the stable with her 2 wins from 3 starts this year , but even with her must be slightly disappointed with the Great Northern Oaks 4th. The man of the moment in this thread Mr Dickie, didn't even finish the race in the GN Oaks with Sweet Maggie Mae. just pulled up 🙄 . John Dunn won with her the week before ? better hands maybe ? The Telfer Barn(s) is very Erratic. lots of runners 'hopping' and 'skipping' during the running quite often too.

Also won the 3 yearold Sires stakes 9 years in a row at the Cup carnival to underline their Young Horse Domination as well. Winning it the past 2 years with Don't Stop Dreaming and Chase A Dream ( both driven by Natalie) Their NZ Cup form has been Great. I don't Believe you for a Moment picking on that race. Mark and Nat Quinella in 2020 . Self Assured a Big winner from Spankem . Then Natalie sort of retired when Amazing Dream won the Auckland Cup not long after. so the Allstars haven't won the past 4 years. . 2 NZ Cups won by COPY THAT and 2 Cups by SWAYZEE . Akuta ran 4th as a 3 yearold then a very good 2nd to Swayzee before breaking down . then Don't Stop Dreaming did everything but Win the last New Zealand Cup . (Blair did ok lol 😂 ) top runs really. So the last 4 New Zealand Cups have seen Top shelf ALLSTARS performances still . Even though they didn't win them. Copy That ( that bloody Orangeman again 🤣) and Swayzee ( that bloody Grimson twice ) stuffed things up 4 times in a row . and they said bad luck only comes in threes ?? 😋 . probably cost me 10k in winnings too lol . but them the breaks 🙄.

Absolutely 100% Chief. Their style saw a lot of Big wins come their way. You only had to watch Natalie get the Plugger 'The Fixer' home first in the NZ Cup one year to see how good they went for her. And clean swept the board with 'Ultimate Sniper' at the last Interdominion run in NZ with domination , beating the locals and the Aussies. I respect what the Galah was saying about that Blair Orange has helped them for years and years, but he is not as 'tuned in' to the horse as Mark and Natalie . comes from concentrating on One team . helps a lot too. Hardly Any outside drives as a distraction. Mark and Nat are at the Top of Mt Everest on the World Stage. Mr Orange is just at the Top of Mt Cook on the NZ stage. there's a wee bit of difference. Not hard to see why they lost a couple of lengths.

exactly it. and the major brand of Allstars officially retired with that Big Auckland Cup Quinella 4 years ago with Amazing Dream. The commentator even saying at the end of that contest. "Thanks for the memories ". Hayden Cullen then tried to run the ship , but had limited success before defecting to Telfers. Now doing quite well branching out on his own from there ( with help from wifey ) won the Group 1 NZ Derby Dec and the GN Oaks just last week. Mark did a great job for decades , after winning the Interdominion for his dad Roy and brother Barry with Mark Hanover at Auckland in the early 90's. what a champ he has been. A 'Job well done' retirement looming large. Lately just trying to get/keep his son Nathan (as well as those old millionaire owners that don't really need any more success lol 😂) well established in the game .Nathan must do most of the hands on. Olivia T even left them and went to Cullens to try and get some drives. Wonder what happened to son Michael ? he had the one trotter 'Mystic Max' he races/trains. Wonder why does No other horses? or helps Allstars? while he has the star 'golden dad' opportunity.

Found it thanks. Looks like one of the Brodsters TIPS just got the money too. Fair few collecting .👍😂 reminds me of when you could back the Allstars with confidence. 💰😋

You're All good to go mate. You're not in Country Victoria so should be safe . and INCA has been called off NZ there so Police not interested in the slightest with the good old Manawatu trots. Forbury's is saying Don't back the 'Dickie' Bird though , driving Telfers tomorrow. better dodge him then. So I'm ALL -In on a few Crystal Hackett - Harrison Orange Quinella's instead. The new mana bright lights will help me find the right window to collect at .👍💰🍞

Greg's wife Jess has popped in 3 runners that Greg has campaigned for years all round the Place , with 3 of his good friends driving in honour to the great horseman. Looks a Special for the Trifecta with Auckland Cup winner Better Eclipse , old NZ warrior Triple Eight ( who still has some NZ owners I think ) and is up to start 160 in this and closing in on $1,000,000 earned bit by bit. The 3rd horse ''Rock n Roll Hammer' is a foal of 'Twist and Twirl' , the 2022 NZ Broodmare of the year, so is a half brother to the great 'King Of Swing' . but only half as good as well 😉. Old Clevedon trainer John Newberry still going strong. Had all the 'Brydon' named horses years ago with his dad and uncle . see his son driving the number 1 here. Here it is . The Vale GREG SUGARS FFA , to be run Saturday night at Melton. VALE GREG SUGARS FREE FOR ALL 1720M $22,500 No NR. PBD/L4$. PACERS. Mobile 1ST LEG QUADDIE, 1ST LEG DAILY DOUBLE Form Horse Trainer Other Eng. Driver Class Hcp 1 30892 DIAMOND ECLIPSE John Newberry Matt Newberry NR74 FR1 2 75765 CURLY JAMES Courtney Laker David Moran NR115 FR2 3 35305 OUR VINCENT CAN GOGH NZ Julie Douglas Ellen Tormey NR93 FR3 4 38323 TANGO TARA NZ Andy Gath Kate Gath NR120 FR4 5 51550 TRIPLE EIGHT NZ Jess Tubbs Kerryn Manning NR118 FR5 6 12227 ROCKNROLL HAMMER NZ Jess Tubbs James Herbertson NR99 FR6 7 13123 YAMBUKIAN Andy Gath Kate Gath NR120 FR7 ------------------------------ Second Row ------------------------------ 8 21186 CAPTAIN BELLASARIO Jayne Davies Jack Laugher NR95 SR1 9 146s7 BETTER ECLIPSE Jess Tubbs Craig Demmler NR118 SR2

No they haven't Crashed crashed in a crash and burn Chiefy. It's just they are not winning the features like they used to. Still good bucks being earned . 'Chase A Dream' a great 2nd in the BETCHA million recently to 'Leap To Fame' . but horses like VESSEM , good enough for 2nd in the NZ Derby in December for example just had the 2 x 3 yearold wins, and as a 4 yearold this year has come back with 2 wins from 7 starts and $34,000 . very modest by previous Allstar standards. DEMON BLUE , good enough for 2nd to Marketplace in a Group 1 ACE race in November, back now as a 3 year old has zero wins from 5 starts and is struggling to keep up. Even the very best Allstars runners Oscar B trotting , with one win from 4 starts since returning from Oz ( and that win was a 5 horse field) is getting beat. and best Pacer Chase A Dream Only has one (1) win from his last 8 starts, and was beaten in both the BIG race features at Addington in the Velocity and the NZ Derby. you can bet against their horses now. The Allstars stable not winning like they used too. The racing is Great still though !!! well done NZ harness.

I think you see some valid points through the ideas. Newmarket posted one of the treatments that posters at this site didn't like years ago, early in this thread . and seems rightly so, as the method is going to be regulated . Make no mistake that the best horses around get the best most expensive treatments. Chief and Galah argue often about where the 'gear' comes from . and availability. well that is up to each Trainer. All horses get some treatments of one type or another , just like any racer under stress . E.g those crazy cyclists in Europe that perform super human feats day after day in the Grand tours. Many like Lance Armstrong are caught out eventually via one method or another if breaking prescribed rules and limits. same for horses. (or their trainers) All these NZ harness trainers are fine horsemen (and women) who most have been doing horses all their lives . They are always going to be competitive, even as the next generation catches up. They are working hard at it 7 days a week , and quite a few stables are Sharing the Limelight at present. ALLSTARS have won stacks of races , especially across the generation that included Natalie Rasmussen. Now they have shifted location and structure and persons working the horses, things change. Not just the treatments. so with this thread the figures (race results) are showing , that you can now Bet against the Allstars , and get a run for your money nearly all the time now. I respect their past results and always used to take them in my selections. but am currently quite happy to bet against them now. Didn't include any of their (ALLSTARS) nine runners in my bets at Auckland on Anzac Day so thought their aura is over as have been a big fan and often took their runners as anchors. they didn't win a race , and the great stables that Won the 5 x Group 1's Friday are well and truly' up in their photo finishes now.