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Did Entain not buy up the NZ TAB ? the revenue is what funds racing is what I'm told. If they faced a huge fine maybe they would want to get out of the 25 year deal/ takeover plan ?? Brodie keeps saying the funding for the trots stops at 5 years for some reason ? If the ENTAIN owned Betting Agency group of 'Ladbrokes' did not fund Queensland Trotting we would Fold for sure.

true. otherwise they wouldn't be able to function would they ? if 'easy to Ascertain'. $152m is chicken feed. In the Crown case there was ONE individual turning over more than the NZ TAB turns over in total!!! Yes the Star Entertainment case involved about over 100 different customers in question , so that is more than the 17 that have bought ENTAIN into disrepute. So you say if you take proceeds from 17 crimes its different to 100 ?? shouldn't be . it's the same offence. Currently 11 'Former' Directors and executives of Star Entertainment are being 'Processed' One by One , and of course are serving sentences of varied fines and terms of disqualification from Managing Corporations. No doubt this will happen with the Entain Directors as well from all those 'resignations'. But the Company itself will face a Fine sooner or later . STAR Entertainment are fighting the $400,000,000 proposed fine. 100,000,000 is target. Currently they are trying to offload assets to get by . They failed to sell the brand new Brisbane Queens Wharf development so owe investors 40 million just this month alone 🙄. Operating cost for star are off the scale with $27,000,000 Loss every quarter at the moment. hows this for a Drop off Chief ?? The quarter ending June 30 this year saw 'Star' get $270,000,000 Revenue. and the same quarter last year was $393,000,000. 🤣😆 they're really missing those 100 'dodgey' investors lol . I hope you're right and 'ENTAIN' has a better outcome though. For NZ's gambling/racing sake.

you know what a Satellite stable is Chief. 😎 It's where horses are based on behalf of a Non-Attending NAMED Horse trainer for those horses. For example s : Young Jacob Dunn does all the work with a few horses in the North Island for the named Dunn stable Title of 'Robert and Jenna Dunn'. therefore he (Jacob) operates a Satellite stable for that operation. Chris Waller has a Permanant thoroughbred base in Queensland. He trains it/them by computer . who knows who does the REAL hands on work, but it's a 'Satellite Stable' for Waller. he's not in physical attendance (much at all) being based in Sydney of course. If the Named Te Akau trainers are Not In Attendance with any frequency, at the South Island unit, that makes it a satellite stable. simple.

seems like the same charges Chief. ENTAIN doing exactly what Star Entertainment did . You Cannot take Bets from known Criminal organisations to 'Move their Proceeds of crime' ENTAIN have had more than just our great trotting man Dean resign. there's a few. This All sounds VERY serious. Sorry I didn't see what you discussed on Gallops thread . But here's something for the Trotting blokes to chew on. Brodster said ENTAIN would be the death of NZ racing . certainly they are sticking some dynamite around anyway. here's a snippet from earlier in the year from the guardian The deputy chief executive officer of one of the biggest gambling companies in Australia, Entain, has resigned in the midst of a high-profile legal challenge by the nation’s financial intelligence agency. Lachlan Fitt has served as the chief financial officer of Entain Australia, which runs the Ladbrokes and Neds gambling brands in Australia, since 2018, and has driven the company’s mergers and acquisitions strategy. The managing director of Entain NZ, Cameron Rodger, has also resigned, just one week after the global chief executive, Gavin Isaacs, left the company with immediate effect The resignations come at a delicate time for the global gambling giant, which was taken to the federal court by Australia’s financial intelligence agency (Austrac) in December. Austrac alleges Entain committed “serious and systemic non-compliance with anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism financing laws”. Austrac accused Entain of accepting $152m in bets from 17 high-risk customers who had “suspected criminal profiles and associations” despite being aware they may have been laundering money, federal court documents allege.

I hope you're right Chief. BUT to go to Federal Court is Very Serious indeed. ENTAIN are charged with Serious and Systemic NON Compliance with anti- money laundering financing laws. The Entain share price is heading Downwards mate. be like a car off a cliff shortly. Dean Shannon is a TOP bloke that I knew racing harness horses. He would of been SCRAMBLING for the Door Chief , with all the Entain case about to happen. His involvement is unknown , but the CEO generally takes the Fall first when a company is on the ropes. He should just return to QLD and race his trotters I reckon. Take Seymour on 👍😎 and keep out of those Federal Courts.

Seems to me it's Pitman stable who are missing out if they are a NZ leading stable. In the trotting circles of light the 2 leading NZ barns of Dunns and Telfers compete very strongly out of Satellite Stables in the North Island for many wins , as well as maintaining their Strong South Island Base. Te Akau seem to perform well in the South with a it's wins from the Satellite stable there. so good on em'. Maybe the Young Pitman should set up in the North Island a team ? and leave dad to manage the South team? and get some of the good prize money on offer there with a Satellite Stable. He could enjoy the Better weather too 😂 than the freezing old South, and take it up to Te Akau on their 'Own Turf' . even go right handed on occasion 😅

Not sure if they do everything correctly though. Dean Shannon , a great trotting investor man for decades, was 'Shown the Door' at the end of June as Entain are still in Money Laundering issues that see them in Federal court at the moment. Dean was at the helm for 7 years odd as the Aus -NZ head CEO of the Entain operation. NOTE One of the big Casino set up in Australia 'Star Entertainment ' have an impending $400,000,000 fine attempting to be put on them by the Crime watchdog AUSTRAC for laundering tens of millions through 2022 . AUSTRAC are currently chasing ENTAIN in the courts , so not looking too rosy for them in near future . Shannon’s departure comes as Entain Australia reaches the pointy end of its own legal fight with AUSTRAC, taken to Federal Court over alleged breaches of “serious non-compliance with Australia’s money laundering laws.”

!00% agree with that Brodster. ENTAIN have had issues all around the planet with swallowing up Betting agency rivals and All sorts of stuff , and Horse racing is only a Low key player in their Grand Scheme of taking all the gambling dollars they possibly can off all the people's. Queensland trotting isn't just run by Seymour , it is also 'Ladbrokes' that run the show , and put up the dollars here. They are owned by ENTAIN of course. QLD trotting would cease without the Ladbrokes support. ( bit like your NZ Entain support I spose) You guys have rightly pointed out to me the turnover is a significant Factor in whether harness racing continues, and the interest of this JUGGERNAUT company to keep it going. I'm convinced , I have only tried to 'Fight back ' suggesting good old sponsors like Garrards , and Seymours could chip in to keep some racing going. Some good slot races and that sort of thing. Seymour has Finanacially backed South Australia harness to keep it going this year. otherwise it was doomed. Victoria are hundreds of thousands in debt, as Have the same Harness People and horses population of New Zealand. which means it needs a LOT of meetings . they race for very low stakes mainly in their country areas. Currently negotiating with Moonee Valley to return there 2027 when the renovation is complete, in a last ditch effort to stay afloat. I think they will FAIL in that bid though. Racing people hate trotting. The Queensland country trots all closed years ago . Like the North Island country did . ( Hutt Park , New Plymouth and that ) You guys All want the North Island City racing to close too. Auckland trots . been going since 1912 at Alexandra Park . seems sad , but those participants have had a good run for decades. Bernie, Tony, Barry , Butchers and that. They can enjoy retirement on the beach somewhere hopefully. So you're Right in the END . They cancelled Waikato tomorrow , so they've had the dick mate. And I might now join your chorus of Shut them down Altogeather . they've had enough wins over the years (with Roy and Wolfie now deceased too , at least they can't see the demise of the North) so that's something good anyway . 100 years of tradition finished . give the remaining dollars to the South Island then ? . before it collapses too. One cancelled meeting can Only lead to more . So you guys Win . it's nearly all Over Rover 🙄.

I think what you forget Brodster is When Sponsors and Supporters of a sport PUT up there Cash to support or sponsor a race or an Event, there are TIME LIMITS involved. It's like a footballer Contract . you Pay up so much cash spread out over the Calculated time frame of a contract. I would suggest that the ENTAIN money is being used by professional people for the 250 odd NZ meeting per year , at a rate that is calculated within a time Period. i.e so much has to be allocated Annually. it's how business works. I agree with you that sure it would be nice to think you calculate monies/funding/sponsorships for 2030 and beyond , BUT You can't mate. You have to live in the moment . AND all you blokes keep saying the turnover has dropped off , and trotting won't be around in the North Island in 5 years time anyway , old Maurice, Barry, Tony , Ray Green, And a few others will be retired. And Trotting will BE NO MORE. you will all just have to go to the gallops lol 😎🏇 So Might as well use The MONEY now mate. I do think it's a shame most of it, is going to Aussie these days from the Big races , as that is only speeding up the Ultimate demise of NZ Harness Racing . you don't have the guts of Seymour or anyone like that to keep it going. Must say Dean Shannon and also the Stonewall bloke (Stockman and his partner Jill ) are doing their Very best at Sales and punting and Racing syndicating with your great trainers to Keep it going a year or two longer. so Big shout out to them for meritous efforts lately. good to see some still 'Having a Go ' at the great sport.

Well they still use the whip as cue for the horse to go I think Chief . Swishing it around the tail and that without having to strike at all anymore these days. the Top Notch drivers do it incredibly well. The Nz and Aus drivers are absolutely masterful at it. esp ones with American experience like Dexter Dunn and Carter Dalgety. We have Cam Hart (winner of the last 2 NZ Cups), the 3 McCarthy brothers and even Pete mcMullen driving like that too. Absolute Top of the tree drivers who get every Horse they drive to perform better than it would without the technique these blokes use. they are near best in the world at their craft. They would run rings around the whip drivers of last century, as can get a tiring horse to keep going better (faster sectionals ) than any drivers of the past could. and can do it on a range of horses. John Dunn looks excellent to me as well , as can really get a horse to stretch out.

well they don't run it as a fish and chips shop mate .and hope customers 'roll up for a feed at random. of course they run it as it is a business. you're just so used to sinking the boot in , you can't help yourself. The HRNZ have done an Outstanding Job in recent years , and possibly returns a profit , where-as a lot of Aussie states run at a loss. HRNZ have even put fabulous races on that the Aussies have been plundering for the past 3 years now , which is probably a bad thing , as the monies are all going overseas. A Victim of it's own success ? 😅🏆. there are better prizes than ever up for grabs in VERY trying times for the average household. A sign HRNZ have outstanding staff and business acumen ( it's you that doesn't 😋 ) Horse Racing Is ON THE NOSE of the general public mate. I'll give you an example . The Melbourne Cup . A huge Australian Tradition, part of the development fabric of the nation, on the World Stage even . BUT in the past 20 years it's gone from 80% public interested to 2024 ONLY 20% of the nation recognizing the race was even being run. Horse Racing is FADING mate. so APPLAUD the efforts of your country mates at HRNZ . They've done a Sterling job in the face of Adversity ( adversity being the public acceptance of horse racing in 2025) I saw LEAP TO FAME . the Best horses ever Australasia. Win at Cambridge ??? who would of thought that possible 5 years ago. and Arcee Phoenix , the INTERDOMINION Champion , has won at Cambridge and raced Addington. Never thought I would see such sensational racing in my lifetime . We OWE HRNZ much thanks for this sort of stuff. HRNZ doing an Outstanding job. Getting the best in the World at their tracks . And you still complain about them.🤔 Nothing makes you guys happy. No Government could do it . no race club can do it either 😅🤣. I say WELL done HRNZ . Champions in a world of pain. Keep up the amazing work and See ya Cup week !!!! 🏆 for more outstanding racing .

always been the case. Galloping juggernauts like Waller and Te Akau have had positive swabs even ( as did Dunn's in harness) but all get off with fines , where as 'Small time Bloke' like Jack Trainor or Darrel Graham for example it's just a 'See you in 18 months' lol. 😁 and exactly right . These are the reasons the sport is dying . Of course the HRNZ is trying to look after the current players by dishing out the Stakemoney to keep them going. (some motivation) and yes they are running out of places to train horses too. Does Cullen's have his own establishment yet? and yes just the Millionaires like the Stonewall bloke, Bootsie, Breckons, Shannon and Seymour ,Woodhams , Kennards dominating the landscape for YEARS now, as Money buys Success. they are sweeping nearly all the pool. Didn't leave enough for the little bloke . so they give it away and just race Bush meetings. That is why the Southern Surge and Young Guns Trot , and Golden Gait and more of those sort of things, are vital if you want the 'Bit Players' to get some of the cash too. While the Big players are resting in stable. LET the BIG boys RUMBLE in some Slot races. That's good progress . and good for the sport too. If you're worried about funding? . Don't fund them then . Just let the Slot holders pay $50k each for a slot and race for Half Million Pool. It will come to that one day. HRNZ will have less to fund with declining betting produce (like all around Aus is happening already ) So just run HUGE SLOT race events like Betcha and Velocity and Ascent and TAB trot , because the USER will Pay . and HRNZ are smart to run with the times and put those races on. So will be good . and is happening already. the best horses and the best trainers from 2 nations battling it out for our entertainment ( and their slot holders showing off and bragging and wealthy from it in fine competition) . can't wait for Showday already.!! will be good lead up to the Derbies too. ( Fate Awaits to knock off Rubira and Marketplace ? 👍🍻)

No doubt. Didn't suggest Handicapping is rosy. It's a very hard job. With reduced numbers of horses to handicap like you are having in NZ, you end up with quite a range all in one race. as you don't have enough races to spread them evenly. Especially for the Fast class in each area in NZ . they have only Very small windows of opportunity. The trotters are doing well there with races put on for them each week North and South so Trotter specialists like Wallis/Hackett, Dr Luk, Nairn and Williamsoms have 'somewhere' to start their horses. thankfully in Brisbane we can run any of our horses 40 times per year. with meetings most days of the week. even the lowest class 30 horses can still get 4 wins each per year and break even in $4- $6k stake races from 40 annual starts. The Handicapper wants NO OWNERS losing money here with their Pride and joy horse. alas in NZ , most owners lose, as you don't have enough races to accommodate them . But hopefully things like the Southern Surge initiative will help remedy that a little bit for some. Well done HRNZ .trying to help yet again the QLD Handicapper can just put a fast class trot each Saturday night for better prizemoney, and run 3 'loose class' trots each Tuesday. in the Pacing Old FFAers like the Grand old kiwi TURN IT UP can win 5 FFA's per year from 20 starts per year and still earn $100,000 per year. even while 10 or 11 years old. excellent stuff. NZ should of followed a similar path . and catered for everyone. But hasn't . Because your top 20 trainers don't send around enough horses lie they used too. they've got quite slack actually ( Telfers and House the exceptions) so your Handicapper is pretty much 'stuck in the mud' , and can just handicap whatever runners you have in NZ that still Turn Up . and it's not many . The state of the economy has a bit to do with it , as well as just having too many AGED PARTICIPANTS bordering on retirement age. Horses are too expensive to run with these fine Horse-people. Dean Shannon (QLD multimillionaire) can afford 17 horses (buying top lots at each sale) with Barry and Scott , but not many others can lol. we are same with Dixon and McMullen with 3 Multimillionaire owners each completely dominating the Group and listed racing. It's surely the sport of Kings. 💰🏆🍻 Go the Handicapper !!!! one of the best workers still going . But slam him as well. it's the NZ way 🤣

It seems the funding will change , as it always does , as time progresses. But as always HRNZ and the Handicapper can just assemble fields with the money funding available. and the horses that are available. same as anywhere. You need support from the participants too. Telfers Stable Are Putting In a HUGE sensational effort to gather prizemoney currently , working very hard with large teams in both Islands , and keeping the sport going. and paying their way well for the owners. just as Dixon does here in QLD. he may have won the Interdominion , but still put horses in tonight at Redcliffe to win $4000 first prize as well. like he did tonight. Keeps the sport going. Eventually the funding will drop and they'll be racing for 4-8 thousand $dollar races in NZ, like we do in QLD. You always say the Money is too much they race for in Auckland .? I think that was to try and Keep the Millionaires (like Dean Shannon, Barry Purdon and owners, Tony Herlihy and owners, Hughes and Owners , old Butcher, Old Ferguson and people like that still INTERESTED. They need the Better prizemoney to stay interested. they're all quite wealthy and after spending BIG at the yearlings sales, and with training Fees THROUGH the Ceiling. you need that better prizemoney for those 'Better' horses and trainers. Not many owner/trainers there mate lol. . Otherwise it would be very BLAND slow week to week horses and racing like QLD . Where the class of races is just set by the Handicapper to allow horses to just pay their way , week to week, month to month. Plenty of owner trainers pottering around Redcliffe twice every week . NZ has much More Exciting Racing !!! and Higher Quality Trainers . by tradition. They are Quality Participants , and no one NEW is/ are stepping up to threaten them . Young Dunn at AKLD is having a crack , but NO NEW participants can possibly compete with those trainers.? and they shouldn't race for peanuts . they can prepare Fast racehorses. Not many of them actually raced tonight though (but it's still Winter) so I'm going with the Flow of your Assessment . And have stopped betting NZ to help out, and don't care if they Fold or not anymore. They're all near retirement age at Auckland anyway . Harness racing can just retire with them . But at least the Handicapper tried to Get more Young Guns into that trot . good on him !! 🍾😋

you blokes Never stop complaining about your 'poor 'product 'and discontent with HRNZ, ATC Should not race and all that sort of shit all the time . never happy with anything. My thoughts were they are putting on good races with good prizemoney. What more could you want ? HRNZ and ATC and Cambridge slots , NZ Metro Slots , The Derbies , even the NZ Cups all in Australia for the last 5 years now. Handicapper is doing that race real Well . I've known handicappers to ring trainers and ask if they have runners for fields that they would like to get enough acceptors for , and all sorts of things .otherwise the race would not go ahead. they do a marvellous job really. Handicappers work very hard to bring you the best racing they can muster. But just more criticism is all that happens is poor meetings. ''Not worth racing . all this sort of stuff. Just No Support for NZ harness anymore. So All the staff cop a hammering for it. Poor buggers. doing their best and get rubbished for it lol 😂 NEWS flash. If the horsemen still competing don't race enough horses , then you WILL Fold . Where was Barry PurdonPhelans and Herlihys and Hacketts tonight ? none in at all ? must be all on holiday lol. Maybe they're listening to you blokes and thought it was All called off ? 😋 Not Long to Go now and your Dream will be true. no racing at all .

They change the original conditions in a lot of races. Often the Handicapper is trying to HELP the Trainers get a start for their animal . they're not trying to hinder anyone. You guys noticed it on this occasion , because the late entry won the race. and it was larger prize than normal. and you see on all the forums ONCE AGAIN , all the fellas saying 'HRNZ Shambles '', blah blah blah ' when all the Handicapper was trying to help set up best fields they can , and to give everyone a go. So I can't see the point picking on someone for doing this. NZ forums can though lol 😅🤣 It should be noted as a good thing . someone extra got in the field to spice it up a bit . They exclude NZ trained horses from entering the Eureka $2mill race . I find that unacceptable as love International competition. but they are trying to get the best field assembled they can for the local national trainers. maybe one day they will see the light and be fair and let NZ horses in . Afterall LEAP to Fame and Arcee Phoenix took out the Big NZ slots without that sort of exclusion. (a smart person might send Marketplace to an Aussie trainer next year 😉)

Well I don't see the point in mocking people like you have here Mr Galah. so some small change occurred that people didn't like ? so what. It used to be a GOOD thing when race conditions were expanded to allow more runners to get a race start. These days iwith the small fields it shouldn't be frowned upon or mocked lol 🙄. more the merrier. best to get over it and move on. Speaking of kiwis and young trotters. Yesterday Graeme Harris actually drove his young 2 year old trotter in a race at Albion himself. They were spread out over 100 m at the end , the baby trotters , but Graeme got 3rd. He is 75 years old now and only drives about 2 races a year 😂. driven about 15 races since 2019 or something like that lol 😎 a rare sight these days. Some of you blokes will remember Graeme there ?, won a fair few with 'Alba's Reign' winner of the NZ Juvenile Championship one year, and same year in photo below he is representing the North Island in a Drivers challenge at Addington , along with 3 x Gentlemen Group 1 drivers you can probably recognize as well. This team probably cleaned up those confederates of the deep South lol. Tony was in his 8th season race driving at this stage of photo below, and his most winningest horse was 'Supreme Ruler' , with 10 wins driving it for Mike Berger. It eventually ended up with Graeme Harris who couldn't get it doing much , and like wise with us In Queensland 'Supreme Ruler' was a bit of a disappointment. was so sour and bite ya , quick as look at you. Never the same after the Big crash in the NZ Cup for Richard Brosnan , when Camelot won the Cup. Anyway good to see Graeme Harris still in action !! in sunny QLD. Richard Brosnan is too in Victoria . some great ex-pats kiwis still trotting their stuff around the courses.

Well it is the middle of Winter. you can't expect the Spring Stars to be racing this early. so with the lousy weather there in Winter no wonder the fields are small and no one watching/betting ? you are being impatient. There was FIRST CLASS Auckland racing in the Autumn for several weeks , with many highlights. It's somewhat ironic that you want them QUALITY horse people to race for Peanuts , while you want to invest thousands as a bet but can't . The irony is quite funny. (If they go to Queensland like the Best NZ trainer ever did, Mark Purdon . The kiwis could of been winning Group 1's. Mark still winning some while near retired. what a legend. A nice 3rd for his own horse he part owns in the Interdominion trot Final too. and Congrats to the Whites from Canterbury running 2nd with BET N WIN. Fine horse people who 'Deservedly' earn a quid by being Great Horsepeople. Yeah get HRNZ to pay Auckland Trainer peanuts then if you want ?? they are useless . Tony Herlihy, Barry Purdon , Ray Green , Butchers . They only win Miracle Mile s, Interdominions New Zealand Cups Auckland Cups, Barry even winning the New Slot race at Addington (as well as the Cambridge one last year with Merlin) PAY THEM PEANUTS . they're NOT WORTH shit. They have Only been preparing World Class Pacers for decades ???? give the stakemoney to owner trainer at Nelson or Westport that prepares a horse that can't break 2 minutes. What a great thing that would be to happen . Useless bloody HRNZ getting it ALL wrong. Wrong people getting the prizemoney 😂😎 what a cock up NZ is lol. 😋

Well fair enough Brodster . It is good you are looking at the forward picture. and current problems . But are you looking for a solution ? Your thread here says 'Should they Race ??" as the headline. If they don't race we have No harness racing. How does that help anyone ? I'll miss seeing those fine horses and people . I saw it happen QLD when they closed the Gold Coast trotting club. since 2010 nothing there. It's sad. Doomed and Nowornever and yourself constantly bag the Waikato /Auckland trotting as a product because you think you can't bet on it in it's current form. Betting companies Still DO take take bets. But you blokes want the HRNZ to put up race fields that suit YOUR needs for a punt. (one bloke here said he wanted 18 horse standing starts ?😂 something from prehistoric times. he's a dinosaur mate 😉) , They are running races to the Participants needs these days. But you totally forget about the needs of the participants. Which is for HRNZ to put races on for them . There's not just owners trainers and drivers depending on this , but heaps of stable hands, all the back up services where people make a living, hundreds of people making some money . and you say 'Should they Race?' . and then pick on HRNZ for poor performance?. surely if they didn't race like you are suggesting, that's When they (HRNZ and ATC) would Have Failed ???? I know you blokes are a fair judge of racing. for example NowOrNever tipped 3 out of 3 to me in Brisbane ( which tallied 77-1 multi ) and even labelled the Trot Grand Final Quinella a month before the event was run. my tip only 4th. So this tells me 2 things. Harness racing is consistantly GOOD , as in horses and trainers and even drivers Run Fairly 'True to Form'. an excellent thing. and are good to bet on if you're having a bet, because you get a Good run for your dollar consistently and seems way better than Gallops , (golf or tennis) in my opinion. Should they race ? of course they should race. Pop a $50 on (like I do ) to help em' out if you're worried about turnover so much then you guys . Try and help a bit. what do you want?? . horses eating grain at home in the stable or something?. park the sulky' in the paddock to rust.

100% correct. I hate tennis. a poor sport where millionaire brats and bratesses whack a ball over the net. Some Russian with a name you can't even pronounce will probably win the ladies at the end. and Some people actually Bet on it . Its not an 'Appealling ' betting product at all. BUT do WE wish them NOT to Have it ? no. We have Beautiful Horses (Of WORLD Class quality) and Fantastic Horsemen (and women) Competing at Auckland each and every week. But they're NOT APPEALLING to you guys . Just an Insult to the fine fine NZ harness racing industry. Barry Purdon near the BEST in the WORLD at his craft , but not appealing for South Islander to bet on . Insulting to the sport you blokes . Lost your money on something probably and just all bitter as chips with vinegar on. 😆

He's Victoria race for quite low prizemoney now. The stakes are being slashed constantly. There Big race of the year (to equal the NZ Cup ) is the Hunter Cup. Swayzee got $142,000 defeating Leap To Fame who got $37,000 2nd. That's just a disgrace for the best horse in the world. In nearly our Biggest race. We race for about a half of the amount of your NZ races here in QLD ( except for the Constellations 4 week that just finished) we have 11 months of standard everyday 'boring' stuff now. which is annoying. But good for the participants. Perhaps you race for too Much in one meeting ??? 152 k at Auckland on Friday seems a lot for a Mid Winter meeting ? Perhaps you should 'cut it in half' to meet the 'Turnover' needs some of you are desperately seeking. Yes I just hate to think a Sport should collapse because of poor betting. NO other sport does . cricket still continues with no crowd and no Indian bookmakers lol😂😋

Not a huge amount of difference week to week. This week AucklanD race for 152 k in total and Addington race for $205 k total with 2 more races on. seems fair ? I'm sorry you feel that way. I did make a living for quite some time from the Industry in both NZ then Aus. and feel passionate about it. Have a 'little bit' of knowledge how it works . But maybe the Gravestone is already being carved in NZ , buried like Cardigan Bay under a carpark. People have given up in New Zealand because of the VERY topic of This thread that Brodie made. OF COURSE they should race. is the answer. I think it's terrible for the surviving WORLD CLASS participants the North Island has, if they don't. Couldn't give a Rat's arse about peoples bets TBH. Brodie should go talk to Stockman if he wants to put a bet on , and find out how to do it properly .

The Sport is DEAD as a betting medium. Brodie knows it. He can't get a bet on even as likes big bets only. Victoria HRV is 600,000 dollars in the red. It continues to race for the moment because of Asset value. There is no way the Sport can survive on betting Revenue . It has to survive without 'Betting' That's where you're focused. But not accepting that people don't Bet on the Sport much anymore. Hence all the grizzling. about turnovers and shit like that. Of Course they are LOW these days. The cost of living is too high for people to waste money on horses. BUT harness racing it DOESN"T have to come to a DEAD STOP like you say. Brad Steele and David Brick and other Very FORWARD thinking folk , are introducing Slot races and Concepts each year , that are USER pays. (eventually people will stop grizzling about those ) they were fantastic at Addington last season . and Cambridge. ? that Larry and Arcee Phoenix wins well that was the highlight of the Year really. and we got them both here in Queensland to repeat the dose at the Interdominion too. Which was excellent . Eventually I agree with you the betting will Cease to exist. I don't Agree That a Sport should Cease to Exist because of that . Fight hard fella's !!! keep the sport going.

That could be an answer . If requiring all the horses in one place at the same time for Staffing / broadcasting purposes or whatever. But it's a bit like saying Don't have Play at All. at one golf course. because only 100 people play there. And Only have the Golf course where 200 people are playing. It doesn't mean the 200 are on the better course. They enjoy that course and the 200 (you blokes 😂 enjoy your course. Where it's HARDER to WIN , because there's more players. Personally I prefer the 100 person course where you are MORE of a Chance of Winning !!💰🎈🏆

You people are so mean . counting runners to decide if a meeting should proceed or Not ?? That's just ridiculous . Waikato has 7 races of around 8 horse's this week. HALF of the Runners racing on the night will earn some money for 4th place or better. This is an EXCELLENT thing. It's the middle of Winter . The better horses will be worked up through the Spring to race in November December when all the Big races are on. of course the fields are gunna be smaller Brodster , Mikey and anyone else that DOESN"T realize this . Don't worry about it so much . You never Bet in the Northern ones anyway. So why be so Bloody mean about em all the time. the same old same old same old rubbish and slandering of the racing, is just ruining the forums. why be so mean all the time. Addington had about 5 races with 7 or 8 runners last week too. You're not grizzling about that?? . you guys are just completely and totally biased is half the problem. The prize money is tallied for the season by PROFESSIONALS at HRNZ. Trying to get all the owners a quid. We do it better in Queensland by running SMALLER fields so that more OWNERS get a RETURN on their investments . Common sense to keep them involved in the sport. Just Don't watch the meetings then ?? . Wait till Sunday then when all your classy low rating runners are racing in the South for your entertainment in those BIG fields where the owners are making a Loss. . And let these Brilliant Horsemen and Women at Waikato and Auckland that are racing , get on with making their Living . What?? so All the owners, All the track staff everywhere, Catering people , camera people HUNDREDS of PEOPLE , should just have the WINTER off because you want 10 starters in a Race instead of 5 -6 or 7 they all earn the same money no matter how many are racing. Horses still pay the some divvies and collect prizemoney. and you guys don't bet on them anyway ?? or race any horses at al? l , so you're all just being Meaner than mean about good racing people that are TRYING to MAKE A LIVING out of the Sport. Blame Brad Steele ? hahahahahaha 😅 he's the one actually trying to keep it going for you people that don't want them to race anymore. 😂 🤣. what a joke. anyway he gets paid (hopefully a million per year for trying to help the industry) and any People like mean ones here , that don't want them Harness racing anymore, can just suck it up.🤪