Chief Stipe Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Brodie said: The AllStars reportedly raised their daily charge from memory a year or two ago, to $100. For what you get that is cheap compared to most thoroughbred trainers. Geez I know some useless IT contractors that wouldn't get out of bed for anything less than $150 an HOUR! 2 minutes ago, Brodie said: The first bill reportedly was closer to $6k than $5k! Where did the horse come from? Had it already been broken in and tried? I can quite imagine that a horse that hasn't been in the All Stars system from a yearling would have an expensive start up cost. A bit like shifting to a new Doctor. If the new Doctor is any good then they will do a thorough health check and get all your bloods done. Same with a horse. Then when you find out what is right or more importantly what is wrong then you fix it - that costs. Whether it is $6k or $5k it is a moot point debating it as we don't know what was included in the bill. New rugs, new shoes, new hopples, new bridle and bit, vet check, blood tests and so on. I imagine the first serious in race training bill for a yearling that you got Purdon to purchase would be a lot less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 9 hours ago, Blossom lady said: Good luck with getting paul to reply. He likes to think he is a know it all. Considering it was stated at the time all stars was having a change of trainer that the training bills would be less, I am certain he won't be fronting up!!! speaking of being a know it all . Noticed paul on the other site staying Jim curtin was basing himself in reefton for the west coast circuit. If jimmy spent more than 6 hours in reefton for the whole circuit I will be very surprised! Paul I think he is at the cross codes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: For what you get that is cheap compared to most thoroughbred trainers. Geez I know some useless IT contractors that wouldn't get out of bed for anything less than $150 an HOUR! Where did the horse come from? Had it already been broken in and tried? I can quite imagine that a horse that hasn't been in the All Stars system from a yearling would have an expensive start up cost. A bit like shifting to a new Doctor. If the new Doctor is any good then they will do a thorough health check and get all your bloods done. Same with a horse. Then when you find out what is right or more importantly what is wrong then you fix it - that costs. Whether it is $6k or $5k it is a moot point debating it as we don't know what was included in the bill. New rugs, new shoes, new hopples, new bridle and bit, vet check, blood tests and so on. I imagine the first serious in race training bill for a yearling that you got Purdon to purchase would be a lot less. you forgot blood spinning that's 1000 a month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, hunterthepunter said: you forgot blood spinning that's 1000 a month How do you know the cost? Is it used every month? Not illegal and well if it gets the results. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, Chief Stipe said: How do you know the cost? Is it used every month? Not illegal and well if it gets the results. you get 30 vials for 1000 dollars I heard used every day the grape vine tells me from someone that's on the money 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 It's interesting to know what they charge,but whatever it is their owners feel it reasonable as their stable has been full,with some owners turned away as no room.Just supply and demand i suppose. The high result expectations that go with having a horse in the stable were obviously being met. My favorite all star horses over the years were ill vicolo,heaven rocks and i can doosit,all for different reasons. I hope in time we can get to see more horses like that from that stable again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Brodie said: JJ! No idea whatsoever if you were right about the CEO’s salary! A CEO should be paid what he is worth! If he/she is useless, then they are not worth paying! Your a classic Brodie- you make unsubstantiated comments then turn it all around when challenged. You thanked me for the CEO salary PM i sent you. Have a look at annual report and you will see that salaries over a certain amount are reported . Im pretty sure CEO is currently on less than some of the earlier pretenders who are now gone. For me , id say 500K would be about the going rate for a CEO with 400 staff and the current one was on a whole lot less when he took over- one might call it showing leadership. Over to you, Chief,Boris Noodlum for the usual replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, the galah said: t's interesting to know what they charge,but whatever it is their owners feel it reasonable as their stable has been full,with some owners turned away as no room.Just supply and demand i suppose. The high result expectations that go with having a horse in the stable were obviously being met. Thats a very good summation of how good they were and thought of by their owners 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Thats a very good summation of how good they were and thought of by their owners Jj, you stated that monthly training bills at the AllStars was arojnd $3200! What was their daily charge rate do you recall? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Your a classic Brodie- you make unsubstantiated comments then turn it all around when challenged. You thanked me for the CEO salary PM i sent you. Have a look at annual report and you will see that salaries over a certain amount are reported . Im pretty sure CEO is currently on less than some of the earlier pretenders who are now gone. For me , id say 500K would be about the going rate for a CEO with 400 staff and the current one was on a whole lot less when he took over- one might call it showing leadership. Over to you, Chief,Boris Noodlum for the usual replies What was unsubstantiated? You say that a monthly bill is $3200! Can you substantiate that? I am saying it was a helluva lot more than that! As for the CEO’s pay, you did t say what it was, just that it had been reduced! Personally dont care what a CEO is on, they are worth what they do for the pay and the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Chief, never had a horse with Allstars obviously, so I have no bills!!!! The AllStars reportedly raised their daily charge from memory a year or two ago, to $100. We all know that this is just the start! Shoeing, vets, supplements, transport, nasal strips, accommodation etc.etc. One well known trainer sent a horse to the AllStars to be trained! The first bill reportedly was closer to $6k than $5k! Yes this is hearsay, however think about it, could easily be that. Lets just see if anyone else is prepared to post on here that a months full training at the AllStars is around $3200!,, I say bollacks when we know they charge the most in the South Island. I usually agree with your posts mate but I am not getting your point here??? All trainers charge a base rate and then extras on top. All Stars is $100/day, maybe someone like M. Larter $20/day? Then, whether your horse is trained by AS or ML, you still pay extras... shoeing, vets (the biggie), transport, accomodation, covers etc etc etc. Regardless if your horse is trained by a good trainer or a mug you still pay for the extra on top of daily rate. Another thing that would favour a AS owner is if the horse was not much good you would be told that early. The horse probably sacked from AS after one or two preps. On the other hand, if your horse is trained by a mug it could be years before the nag is sacked costing the owners tens of thousands. Just my thoughts mate...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Have a look at annual report and you will see that salaries over a certain amount are reported . Which page of the annual report is this on? 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: For me , id say 500K would be about the going rate for a CEO with 400 staff and the current one was on a whole lot less when he took over- one might call it showing leadership. Took a long time to show any leadership. Took insolvency followed by a pandemic to induce any type of leadership. He wouldn't be getting a top up for his other role in the industry would he perchance? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: karrots jj wil not challenge your post he does not like the truth if he not likes your posts he just blocks your messages That is cool, I am not out to pick on anyone, just wanted to correct solely that part of that particular post, as it was inaccurate. I see no need to block me. Some of JJ's posts I have enjoyed reading, I thought it was good information factual sourcing, when he went out (after reading on here 1st about the horse transfers) to swiftly, source further info about it, in the fact a letter was sent to owners re Kerr & shared that info with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Davis said: I usually agree with your posts mate but I am not getting your point here??? All trainers charge a base rate and then extras on top. All Stars is $100/day, maybe someone like M. Larter $20/day? Then, whether your horse is trained by AS or ML, you still pay extras... shoeing, vets (the biggie), transport, accomodation, covers etc etc etc. Regardless if your horse is trained by a good trainer or a mug you still pay for the extra on top of daily rate. Another thing that would favour a AS owner is if the horse was not much good you would be told that early. The horse probably sacked from AS after one or two preps. On the other hand, if your horse is trained by a mug it could be years before the nag is sacked costing the owners tens of thousands. Just my thoughts mate...? Davis, my point was that it will be interesting if Hayden Cullen continues to charge the same amount to the existing owners as. MArk and Nat did? Yes I know all trainers charge for all the extras, but is the Cullens stable still going to be using exactly the same additives etc. or not. If the results are not as good, then the owners will be questioning the costs! Jj, then stated that it is only $3200 per month to have a horse trained previously by the AllStars! My maths is pretty good and 31 days at $100 per day equates roughly $3100 per month plus GST!!! Then there is all the other multitude of charges and so impossible for it to be $3200! That is my point Davis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Brodie said: What was unsubstantiated? You say that a monthly bill is $3200! Can you substantiate that? I am saying it was a helluva lot more than that! As for the CEO’s pay, you did t say what it was, just that it had been reduced! Personally dont care what a CEO is on, they are worth what they do for the pay and the industry. The Accountant coming out of Brodie all the time. How much in bets? How much pay ? How much training Fees? I'm betting all your Household expenses are neatly done monthly in a Ledger ? (well done if that's the case) Hope No one asks you about your PM's pay ? ooops. There is fun ! and the winning glory ! to be had , as well as the money . hehehe sorry you were 'Bored' with the exceptional racing at Auckland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Brodie said: Jj, you stated that monthly training bills at the AllStars was arojnd $3200! What was their daily charge rate do you recall? $105 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Jj, then stated that it is only $3200 per month to have a horse trained previously by the AllStars! I did say the last account i saw . It was some time last year so please dont try and twist things around for your own benefit , you asked a question i give you an honest reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Which page of the annual report is this on? Took a long time to show any leadership. Took insolvency followed by a pandemic to induce any type of leadership. He wouldn't be getting a top up for his other role in the industry would he perchance? Your the expert on research, or so you think. Go find it yourself or get your 2nd persona Noodlum to do it. Edited January 3, 2021 by JJ Flash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Your the expert on research, or so you think. You are the one that is pissing inside the tent and has the inside information yet appears not to have read the annual report or indeed understood it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Karrots said: I see no need to block me. Nor do i and your not 1 hour ago, Karrots said: I thought it was good information factual sourcing, when he went out (after reading on here 1st about the horse transfers) I knew about that well before anything was posted on here Sweety. You only have to look at my posts elsewhere on the subject epeacially about no horses being removed form P Kerr which was a load of rubbish as has now been shown in stable returns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Just now, Chief Stipe said: You are the one that is pissing inside the tent and has the inside information yet appears not to have read the annual report or indeed understood it. Whatever you say Doug,Chief Noodlum or whoever you are today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Whatever you say Doug,Chief Noodlum or whoever you are today Certainly won't try and be JJ Flash! No benefit in that! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Certainly won't try and be JJ Flash! No benefit in that! I should hope not JJ would never post under 2 or more names on here like you have . Its called integrity- you should come clean and practice it in the future Time to get back to Cricket - far more interesting IMHO Edited January 3, 2021 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: I should hope not JJ would never post under 2 or more names on here like you have . Its called integrity- you should come clean and practice it in the future Are you going to get remotely back on track or do you want to end up having a conversation with yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 hours ago, the galah said: It's interesting to know what they charge,but whatever it is their owners feel it reasonable as their stable has been full,with some owners turned away as no room.Just supply and demand i suppose. The high result expectations that go with having a horse in the stable were obviously being met. My favorite all star horses over the years were ill vicolo,heaven rocks and i can doosit,all for different reasons. I hope in time we can get to see more horses like that from that stable again. It costs to purchase quality. Racing a horse with the All Stars improved your odds of getting a good horse considerably. In the long run an All Star owner probably saves thousands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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