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Follow up this morning RIU, and NZGRA. n goode Wed 10/04/2019 11:07 AM Have you followed up whether this dog is still alive. The dog was over raced until breaking down last week. The RIU stated they would follow up on the status of this dog. Have they sighted the dog?, and I do not mean picking up the phone and asking about it. Stewards report dated 4th April Addington stated they would be monitoring this situation. I expect this to happen. And while we are at it, check on the whereabouts of Homebush Conner. I expect Ben Vane King to have his broken hock repaired, and when recovered put into GAP. I know this is a tall order with the type of people that train this dog, so its important it is followed up. I will not allow this to be swept under the carpet. No more business as usual for you people, I intend to stay on this until answered. John Goode.

Letter i sent to NZGRA Friday last week. john goode Fri 5/04/2019 11:23 AM To whom it may concern, I write this email after reading the Stipes report for Addington on the 4th April. To be more specific the greyhound Ben Vane King. This dog is trained by John McInerney. This dog was having its 5th start in 10 days over distances ranging from 457mtrs to 645 mtrs, being trekked to 3 different venues around the South Island to achieve this. last night it was carried off with a suspected broken hock. It was seen to falter not long after the start and drop out in its 2nd 645 mtr race in the last 10 days, the other 3 being middle distance races. Now I do not know what you think of this type of behaviour being perpetrated on these poor dogs by this kennel, but from my observation, I find it distressing and cruel with little or no empathy towards their charges. Ben Vane King was not the only dog subjected to this outrage, Chunk springs to mind along with others. Now I know, that under your rules dogs can race every 48 hrs. Therefore these dogs are legally entitled to line up. But to have unscrupulous uncaring trainers forcing dogs to race as Ben Vane King was is downright greedy and cruel, and this needs to be addressed urgently. I do not expect change from this kennel, this is how they operate, and always have, but I do expect your Association, along with the RIU, to behave in a professional and caring manner when policing your sport. This situation should not be happening in this day and age. I think what should of been done in light of these dogs being subject to multiple racing over a condensed period of time, is that somebody should of alerted the oncourse Vet to apply a rigorous vet check to these dogs. Somebody should of made a list of these over raced dogs, and sent the list to the oncourse Vet. If this had occured yesterday, then Ben Vane King may well have avoided this tragic situation. There needs to be rule changes regarding this cruel uncaring racing till you drop, from happening in future. It is so bad that I suspect some trainers are doing this to break the dogs down at the track, so as to avoid them putting them down at home, where it is becoming difficult and expensive. Much cheaper and less messy to have it done on track. My view is 1 race per week per dog. But until sanity returns with new rule changes regarding this terrible situation which is allowing the dog farmers the legal right to line up 5 times in 10 days, then I expect oncourse Vets to apply the most extreme vetting of these poor animals before allowing them to race. You need to act, and very quickly on this one. It is welfare in the extreme. Kind Regards John Goode.

I will be most surprised if all involved in these charges are not warned off until the outcome of the trial is known. I would expect the Board will of met by now, and a decision made to intruct the RIU to warn off those involved with these charges. I think this will happen very quickly. The Board have the power to do this. The ball is in their court.

Yes, far worse. Darren was a Saint compared to this.

It is nothing like the Darren Weir saga.

Hey, thanks for that bamboozla, will watch with interest.

When is it bambooza. Thanks.

The battle was lost recently when Glenda and her cohorts had the constitution changed to put sports on an equal footing with racing. It is all downhill now for the TAB in regards to racing. Sports will grow, and racing, especially NZ racing will continue to fade. The end game vision for the TAB is Sports betting. Racing will continue, but with more and more overseas feeds, until the local product is extinct. Thats where I see it heading. Local Clubs stuffing up suits the agenda, saves the TAB from doing the job. Just imagine if the TAB did not have to support local racing because it self destructed, how much money would be saved. Racing would still be provided via overseas feeds at a fraction of the costs, and all profits to go to Sports.

5 starts in 10 days Arsenic, but way to many.

Not easy to answer of the top of my head Greyhounder, so many issues need addressing. But two very achievable things spring to mind that would change the industry in double quick time. The first being 20 dogs per license, this to stop dog farmers. The second to only allow a dog to race once a week. This would tip the industry upside down in the short term, so would have to be phased in over time especially the first one. There would have to be industry backing for placing surplus greyhounds that the dog farmers divest in the short term, but it could be managed until the new regime spuds in. The racing once a week could be immediate. This would not have too great an impact, and would sort itself out fairly quick. It is not simple Greyhounder, but they need to start somewhere if they want to have a future.

To tell the truth bloke, you have your view, I have mine. I had enough of you on the Trump thread, and you and your views bore me. I am a conservative in my thinking as you well know. I love humanity, and all races, but I do not want globalisation, or open borders. I respect all cultures as long as its confined to there own country, and not forced on one another. I am a proud Trump supporter for the reasons outlined. I subscribe to the theory, that when in Rome, do as the Romans do. I expect that from all immigrants to this country. Expect no more debate from me to you bloke.

Just as I find your extreme left agenda disgraceful, weak and insipid. Now get back under your rock bloke, or better still crawl back to scoobs where you will find a sympathetic ear.

I liked David, very sad to hear of his passing, now with his maker, RIP David.

Sad day today. Ben Vane King, the dog who has been flogged at 3 different venues all over the South Island, having endured 5 races in 10 days broke down last night with a suspected broken hock. This poor dog was forced to race over distances from 457 to 645 mtrs by an uncaring owner and trainer with no thought for the dog, or for that matter, the good of the industry. Ben Vane King was not the only dog that was flogged during this period by the same kennel, there were many more. You have to come to the conclusion this kennel has no empathy for their charges, and greed and stupidity can be the only motivation. Having said all this, I expect nothing less from these animal farmers, but I do expect more from those who claim welfare and the betterment of the industry is at the top of their priorities. We have been let down by these people, and Ben Vane King is a prime case in point. The NZGRA were aware these dogs were being flogged as were the RIU. My question is, why didn't the welfare officer instruct the Stipe in charge of yesterdays meeting at Addington raceway to make a list of those dogs that were having multiple races in the last 10 days to be examined by the Vet extra carefully prior to racing. If this had been done, then Ben Vane King may have been scratched before breaking down. This is a very bad look for the NZGRA, and the RIU. They new what was happening, and chose to do nothing. I hope that Ben Vane King is not forgotten and swept under the carpet, and until a new rule is put in place to stop over racing by unscrupulous greedy dog trainers, the RIU, and NZGRA will be far more proactive in having oncourse Vets apply much more stringent physical checks on these poor dogs. I feel 1 race a week per dog should be a minimum.

The weak tossers have lost me. Bunch of snowflakes. Any changes whether in name or horses and shields will lose me for all time. They are so weak, that they cannot except their own culture, instead bowing to a foreign culture out of fear and intimidation. Next up will be crosses in public places because it is offensive to Islam. NewZealand deserves to be overrun with foreign cults.

As a rider, Ben Vane King in distance race Thursday 645 4th April, this makes 5 races over ground in 10 days.

Well well welll, NZGRA employ dedicated welfare officer to oversee welfare issues in dog racing and breeding. Her latest pearler is inoculations of pups before 3 months so as to enable the pups to socialise with the wider dog community in public places. Racing greyhounds as a rule do not leave their own property, and are reared in a paddock of some description until they can receive an adult parvo shot usually about 8 months old. This adult shot will cover them quiet nicely for at least 3 yrs, and it should not be necessary to give them a booster shot for at least that time period. But no, the welfare officer wants to spend your money on issues that do not exist. Can anybody tell me when and where the last outbreak of parvo virus occurred. Giving 3 puppy shots before the adult shot can be given is another example of very poor work when it comes to welfare, but, it is an easy target, and goes to show she is justifying her position. Now I will give her a hard target, one that she is choosing to ignore, and in my opinion is a much more relevant target especially where the welfare of the racing greyhound is concerned, and that ladies and gentlemen is gross over racing by the dog farmers. Below I shall give some examples of what I perceive to be over raced greyhounds lining up tomorrow at Dunedin. I shall put the racing program with dates and distance that these dogs are being subjected to in the last week. Homebush Velma 3 sprints, 29th, 31st, 2nd. Add, Southland, Dunedin. Punch on Jessie 3 sprints, 295 Friday, 390 Sunday, 310 Tuesday. Homebush Carl 3 sprints same as above. Now it gets worse. Chunk, 520, Friday, 457, Sunday, 545 Tuesday. And if you thought this is ok, try this Ben Vane King, 26th, races Addington, 29th 645 mtr race Addington, 31st 457 Southland, 2nd 545 Dunedin. Homebush Izzy same program as Ben Vane King. In summing up, Welfare officer on behalf of NZGRA much more interested in increasing your compliance costs rather than focusing on the real issues such as getting as many races into these poor hounds as is possible, and trekking them all over the South Island to accomplish it. Very poor work by the NZGRA to allow this exploitation by uncaring dog farmers. It will bite them on the arse if not addressed.

Yes, sad to hear. Terry was a steward in another life. Not sure, but was he not on the Wahine.

I agree Charles, the way the rule reads, its clear these dogs are racing with impaired vision. The unanswered question is, why is it not applied.

I think he means half of its vision is blinded by blinkers. I was going to start a thread on this subject. Personally I think blinkers should not be an option in dog racing. It is a welfare issue for mine. It is unfair for honest hard chasing dogs to have in their midst dogs that are compromised in their vision especially on the bends. It is hard enough for 8 honest dogs to negotiate the bends without having dogs in their midst with no peripheral vision. Greyhounds are sight hounds, and for the Association to allow half blind dogs into races is a recipe for disaster. Welfare issue it is, also grossly unfair to fellow competitors. Surely there is enough honest dogs out there, without having to put half blind dogs in fields. Just my thoughts.

The Crusaders were hero's. if it wasn't for them, Europe would be all Moslem. Leave the fu#ken name alone. What weak PC twat thought this was a good idea. And leave the horsemen alone as well.

In that case the lineup must have heaps of integrity, because Donald Trump has more integrity than any other Politician on the planet.

Ditto.

Hi Maxine, please pass on my good wishes to Max and Janet, I miss my times spent with them on my many journeys Nth. Those games of snooker at the Putaruru Club bring back fond memories. Hope you and all family are well. John.

I put $5 on a dog in Aus that was $1.30 fixed, and paying $71 tote. It wins easily, and $71 comes up on screen. Then had to wait at least an hour before money went into account. Don't ask how much went in, but it was not $71, more like $4. I only did it as an exercise to see what happened.