Nowornever

Not much point having a bet there now. Bookies will open the odds up again on the closing prices for the horses they had priced wrong. They get a free throw at the stumps. There were some big movers as well.

At least there will be a bit of variety in those fields hopefully. Hard to get interested in the pools tonight. Race 1 Win $3K place 1K Quin $1.6K Tri $2K

The measure of a successful meeting would be turnover and I have heard the Northern meetings do not generate the turnover to be viable by themselves, and need to be propped up by the Canterbury meetings. I blame the thickos that got rid of grass track meetings in the north as that effectively killed the northern harness racing vibe and probably the horse population up there leading to the current decline on turnover.

It must have been a good slight of hand I can't even work out what he is going on about LOL!

Never mind it will all be fixed soon galah! "I am keen to look at things from a different angle," says Peden nek minnit "We need to increase race starts per horse per year, we need to increase market share and turnover and we need to do something about foal numbers."

Well terrible betting spectacle and about the only interesting thing will be if she can win all the races otherwise:

A consistent 30 min interval between races would be logical. Mmmm logic. Yeh I think I see what the problem is.

If the gaps had opened up she would have been a genius. A lot of luck in a good and bad drive sometimes. Personally I hate it when a driver sits three deep the pegs has no patience and comes off at the turn only to get beaten by the horse on the fence who was sitting behind him. I could start a thread on that and there would be at least 2 or 3 every meeting.

Wrong decision for sure but nine times out of ten she would run top three at Cambridge from that position on the turn. Two things against her tonight, slushy track plus the leaders were stopping quickly in the pacing races. The racing up North at the moment is a waste of time as evidenced by the miserable pool amounts. Luckily the grass track racing is starting up this weekend in the south and I can open the wallet again and have a decent go.

Mmm where can I short the stock!

The problem you have is mostly CEOs and managers don't like other people coming up with ideas that are not their own. This is not a harness industry only problem. Great idea The Galah it gets my vote.

Terrible exotic prices compared to tote up to 70% less in some cases. Fixed odds the same and not sure on sport but probably same odds. Only benefit is the social media side which is interesting but even that will take a while to kick off.

Incorrect. I live for these sort of races because it so hard to pick for the average punter. Bigger dividends attract my dollar a lot more than a 1.50 favourite in an 8 horse field. That is one of the reasons that grass is so popular for punters. Also the racing in summer months is a lot better with the variation in horse form with horses coming from different tracks, grass to grit and grit to grass creates a better base for punting rather than the boring same horses racing the same horses on the same tracks all the time. Of course raising the number of horses currently racing is the key but If I were running the show I would be trying to create variation in the racing fields by attracting horses to race further away from their normal venues. Why don't they run some 15-20K maiden races a couple of weeks in a row at various venues and get trainers to travel. HRNZ could subsidize travel to make it more attractive. I agree with Galahs thoughts on creating a training base especially if it included a new grass racetrack. Resurrect another Hororata or something similar in that area halfway between Ashburton and Chch. Have a 2000m track or bigger with a 400m straight to make the racing more even instead of these 150m sprints up the straight. If Entain are so keen to throw money around then it could be called the Entain Raceway or Entain Harness Complex. Bring on major sponsors I am sure it could be done if the right people were behind it.

The last two are what will fix harness racing in my opinion. Also put a tax on all horses sold overseas (eg $5K) and put the money back into lower stakes. Try to retain horses here for longer. FFS going on the article on HRNZ today about the Tuesday meetings they are quite happy about the numbers. "We had planned for six races over the first six weeks and to get the numbers we have is very encouraging," says HRNZ Chief Executive Officer Brad Steele.

Seven races no field size bigger than 8 runners and four of them only have six runners. FFS this is a sick joke isn't it! Yet they will not fix the lower class racing and just keep pouring money into the bigger stakes racing hoping it will fix itself. Why would you think about owning a horse or start training in the hope you might be the 0.005% of the people that actually win one of those races while spending a fortune to do it. At the moment it is becoming even more of an elitists sport run by elitist people.

Yes you are correct, only in app.

Where do you set up your social profile? Can not see an option for that in the settings.

Yes that is the main point of difference I can see.

It's like getting blood out of a stone with Brodie 🤣

Those same options have been automatically available on the multi bets at the TAB for quite a while.

Yes the Betcha website are presumably fixed odds dividends at closing prices which will be normally way lower than tote. Up to 50% worse in some cases. As a comparison the first race at invercargill Victoria divs which are basically our tote divs Quinella 4-9 $56.10 Exacta 4-9 $273.40 Trifecta 4-9-8 $794.00 First Four 4-9-8-6 $1,735.30 Jackpot $740.04 Betcha Divs Quinella 4, 9 $36.00 Exacta 4, 9 $71.00 Trifecta 4, 9, 8 $476.00 First Four 4, 9, 8, 6 $1151.00 Good luck betting on Betcha racing with those differences

Maybe lets hope so anyway. Brodie can you start an account and let us know the results.

Good idea we can take bets on how long it takes before he gets the push. Might even not be able to open an account if it already has a red flag on it.

One difference would be if you made any money at all on Betcha it would be an instant ban not just a restriction. I have faced this UK lot before in Australia and there is no leniency in their policies. It is almost like Saddam Hussein has risen from the dead and is now running their risk department. I am guessing weeks not months before we start hearing stories of draconian measures.

It is a copy of the current TAB site. Is betting on racing included in the New Zealand tote pools or is everything fixed odds? Are they offering this to the rest of the world or only New Zealand? I can not see the point of joining if you are already with the TAB, What advantages would there be. The TAB website is already terrible, Having two of them open at the same time would double the pain.