Basil Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 This thread is a microcosm of the situation harness currently finds itself in. In response to any suggestion of dodgy dealings by an industry participant (unless of course it's the All Stars), the vast majority adopt a head-in-the-sand, victim-blaming, shoot-the-messenger position, while Happy and one or two others who point out that harness has only itself to blame for all the negative publicity are like voices crying in the wilderness. Let's be brutally honest here and accept the cold, hard truth: after a century of harness treating the public with contempt, the chickens are now coming home to roost. Times have changed, and harness hasn't been able to change with them. I retain the hope that it'll yet do so, but the prospects aren't looking good. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, Basil said: This thread is a microcosm of the situation harness currently finds itself in. In response to any suggestion of dodgy dealings by an industry participant (unless of course it's the All Stars), the vast majority adopt a head-in-the-sand, victim-blaming, shoot-the-messenger position, while Happy and one or two others who point out that harness has only itself to blame for all the negative publicity are like voices crying in the wilderness. Let's be brutally honest here and accept the cold, hard truth: after a century of harness treating the public with contempt, the chickens are now coming home to roost. Times have changed, and harness hasn't been able to change with them. I retain the hope that it'll yet do so, but the prospects aren't looking good. as long as they not picking on your stable aye BASIL BASHER RABBIT 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 46 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: as long as they not picking on your stable aye BASIL BASHER RABBIT HTP, you just validated Basil's comment to the nth degree. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Basil said: Let's be brutally honest here and accept the cold, hard truth: after a century of harness treating the public with contempt, the chickens are now coming home to roost. Times have changed, and harness hasn't been able to change with them. I retain the hope that it'll yet do so, but the prospects aren't looking good. The word 'leadership' is one of the most overused words in currency today but in the case of harness racing in NZ it should be used a lot more often. Who is in charge? No idea. I think the industry is one of the most poorly functioning and divisive outfits I have ever seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: The word 'leadership' is one of the most overused words in currency today but in the case of harness racing in NZ it should be used a lot more often. Who is in charge? No idea. I think the industry is one of the most poorly functioning and divisive outfits I have ever seen. The problem i believe happy is a small vocal percentage are resistant to the views of the vast majority when it comes to the matter of enforcing integrity issues. There is no way any of us would be involved as owners/trainers/drivers/punters/administrators if we believed harness racing had a high level of dishonesty. It doesn't. You can however understand why the small vocal minority attack those that openly encourage the enforcement of higher standards. As Basil has said, the public is more aware of,and has greater access to avenues of scrutinizing facets of the industry that in the past had little light shed on them. Some licenceholders have taken the greater scrutiny and tried to portray it as personal attacks, whereas in reality it is an attack on a small part of the actions which some have for generations been deemed acceptable. Its obvious that strategy isn't working for them,just look at the fallout. Its those that they support who have paid a greater price for the resistance. You would hope one day they may wake up and see that. Integrity issues should be a common goal. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 31 minutes ago, the galah said: The problem i believe happy is a small vocal percentage are resistant to the views of the vast majority when it comes to the matter of enforcing integrity issues. There is no way any of us would be involved as owners/trainers/drivers/punters/administrators if we believed harness racing had a high level of dishonesty. It doesn't. You can however understand why the small vocal minority attack those that openly encourage the enforcement of higher standards. As Basil has said, the public is more aware of,and has greater access to avenues of scrutinizing facets of the industry that in the past had little light shed on them. Some licenceholders have taken the greater scrutiny and tried to portray it as personal attacks, whereas in reality it is an attack on a small part of the actions which some have for generations been deemed acceptable. Its obvious that strategy isn't working for them,just look at the fallout. Its those that they support who have paid a greater price for the resistance. You would hope one day they may wake up and see that. Integrity issues should be a common goal. All well and good to take the moral high ground and preach from it. But how can you expect the so called "vocal minority" have any respect when you see the complete lack of integrity in the INCA investigation, week in week out inconsistent stipe rulings and a race starter continuing to blow every bloody start he has a hand in! 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, Noodlum said: All well and good to take the moral high ground and preach from it. But how can you expect the so called "vocal minority" have any respect when you see the complete lack of integrity in the INCA investigation, week in week out inconsistent stipe rulings and a race starter continuing to blow every bloody start he has a hand in! champion post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, Noodlum said: All well and good to take the moral high ground and preach from it. But how can you expect the so called "vocal minority" have any respect when you see the complete lack of integrity in the INCA investigation, week in week out inconsistent stipe rulings and a race starter continuing to blow every bloody start he has a hand in! Well i just think the merit in your comments on those subjects gets watered down because it's viewed as a relentless attack on the same people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, Noodlum said: All well and good to take the moral high ground and preach from it. But how can you expect the so called "vocal minority" have any respect when you see the complete lack of integrity in the INCA investigation, week in week out inconsistent stipe rulings and a race starter continuing to blow every bloody start he has a hand in! Fair points The whole industry needs a clean up, not just the RIU. See Basil's post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 So why hasn't anyone said what all this is about with m.kerr.he is in big trouble in NZ and aussie.its a criminal matter nothing to do with racing matters.this won't be hidden as there are victims of his crimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 I have this awesome unicorn it can go a 24 quarter and run 142 mile want to buy it sold give me to the money first and the unicorn is on its way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 6 hours ago, Forbury said: I have this awesome unicorn it can go a 24 quarter and run 142 mile want to buy it sold give me to the money first and the unicorn is on its way. sounds like the mighty spitfire would have its measure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I want to gamble thousands and prove I'm no gambler just a jail bird loser.ill sell shares in a few Pacers to you all I'll even sell the shares twice over to cover my gambling.no wonder they lost alot of horses and owners turned up with trailers and hauled off most off the horses.mitchell is in big trouble for fraud. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 What a silly foolish dumb idiot🤣🤣🤣😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/8/2020 at 8:03 AM, Rangatira said: sounds like the mighty spitfire would have its measure If Mitchell was training the spitfire yes.he could then sell you shares twice over and it won't race again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) On 12/5/2020 at 3:35 AM, Forbury said: So why hasn't anyone said what all this is about with m.kerr. Because people like myself who have heard the exact same story you have said above, have chosen to wait for facts to come out, not wanting to potentially spread mis-information. For me at this stage, it is just a story (maybe fiction and maybe non-fiction) and until full facts come out, I'll keep it as that. Edited December 17, 2020 by Karrots 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I think those in the game knows what this is all about. No doubt it will all come out soon, but not looking good at this stage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Cannot blame writer for Mitchell's fraud and stupidness it's beyond dumb I should start selling unicorns who can trot 1.45 mile but I won't because I'm honest 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 There's no doubt about it. Kerr's facing 5 charges from the RIU and when he is found guilty of those charges the police will take over 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Robalan said: There's no doubt about it. Kerr's facing 5 charges from the RIU and when he is found guilty of those charges the police will take over A real black eye for the entire industry will result. Alas, Problem gambling spirals people's lives 'out of control.' People should just sign up with BOYS GET PAID to keep it all under control ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Gammalite said: A real black eye for the entire industry will result. Alas, Problem gambling spirals people's lives 'out of control.' People should just sign up with BOYS GET PAID to keep it all under control ? Sure is. only problem is this won't be the only black eye for the industry in the next few months. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 blossom are you at the mot? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: blossom are you at the mot? In the bar with your favourite driver!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, Blossom lady said: In the bar with your favourite driver!!! heard about that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, Blossom lady said: In the bar with your favourite driver!!! Craig Kennet 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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