Nowornever

Why don't they run a few more of those betting competitions on the harness? I would think they would generate some decent turnover, but they stopped doing them for some reason.

They look determined to try to fix Alexandra Park and are using the excuse it is because one third of punters live in Auckland. My punting friends in the North Island all bet more on South Island harness and all of them say Auckland fields are shit and always have been. How do they expect to do this. Suddenly import more horses and trainers to Auckland?

Yes they have got the side blinkers on completely for anyone wanting leeway on their betting restrictions.

I predicted the outcome the day it came out. Could have saved 10s of millions of dollars if they had asked me instead of going off on a wild crusade.

That goes something like this. Winning punter: TAB bosses please let me win another 200K a year? TAB bosses:

You would be amazed how many degenerate gamblers will see that and have a bet on the favourite thinking it is like a free throw at the stumps. I know a couple of guys who would have been all over it. Not my cup of tea and I can see your point, but some people love that type of thing

They must be immune to the scathing criticism on social media platforms or they would have fixed it by now. Probably another case of I know best from the higher ups, just like getting rid of free to air.

Yes Ladbrokes are not interested in letting you have any profit at all and just give you a straight out ban after a couple of collects. I am surprised they have any customers at all they are that bad on banning people.

Yes Brodie is pushing shit up hill on this one. Let us know what your lawyer says Brodie!

I think you should be the one to have a shot at contesting this. You have got the means as you state on here quite often and it would definitely get some airtime in the media. Or your lawyer would soon tell you if this was a doable thing or not. Any lawyers here that would like to put their two cents in on this?

Yes I thought all punters were allowed to win 2K on each win bet they placed. You can have more than one 2K bet but have to take the lowered odds on the next one. k

Pretty sure the 1 million cap is not daily but weekly

Yes capped to 1 million

Their rules are covered by the Racing Act which is part of NZ Law. So you are probably fighting the Govt on this not and not TAB/Entain. You can quite clearly see by the final two lines on the Stuff story that they are clearly hiding behind the Racing Act when administering restrictions.

This has also been through the media on several occasions and nothing has come of it. A story from 2014 in Stuff TAB odds-makers lure in punters with the promo slogan: "You know the odds, now beat them". But less than three months before New Zealand's biggest betting day - the November 4 running of the Melbourne Cup - they have cracked down on a Kiwi punter who has excelled at doing just that. TAB executive general manager Glenn Patrick recently wrote to Christchurch man Graham Beirne that the betting agency was losing "a significant amount of money" on his fixed odds betting, so it had to adjust the amount of money he could win. In a move which the 67-year-old hit out at, he can now not win any more than $2000 on a win or place bet, and cannot win any more than $2000 even on a combination multi. He must also place all his bets by 9.30am on respective race days. "It's more like, ‘You know the odds, now beat them. But if you do, we'll cut you'," a fuming Beirne said. "On the one hand they're complaining about leakage - don't bet overseas, they say, but you can only back losers in New Zealand - ‘You can play in our sand pit but only if you lose'." Beirne owned Kate's First when it won the 1997 Auckland Cup. He has been a passionate supporter of harness racing for more than 50 years. But the TAB's stance had him questioning his future support for the industry in New Zealand. "I put $1 million into the industry every year through 25 racehorses, plus broodmares and sponsorship, but I'm at the point of thinking of selling the lot and going and playing bridge," he said. He added in a written response to Patrick and the TAB: "The owners that continue to race horses are supplying the product for your customers to generate turnover. Have you also considered that while my past betting has cost you money on fixed odds, every time I line up a horse in a race it is making you money on the tote? "No doubt you also have other large winning customers but how many of these people contribute product for your customers to be on to the degree that I do? I would suggest none." Beirne had offered a compromise over betting limits, but the TAB had rejected it, he said. Patrick told the Sunday Star-Times it was standard practice around the world for corporate bookmakers to restrict winning punters. He believed the way the TAB was treating Beirne was fair and reasonable. He would not confirm how many other punters had similar restrictions. "One of our objectives under the Racing Act is to maintain a profitable wagering system and we need to take that obligation seriously," he said. "There will be clients who have better information than us, or who are better than us, that we will need to put limits on."

Well it is legal because it is in their terms and conditions. Ethical? Most people would say no but I am not sure you would win in a court of law. I would like to see someone try it though.

I would like to give you a number but I don't think the calculator goes that high. 😂

Brodie likes 1 - 2K a place on something paying more than $3 and when you get more home than you lose at those odds the TAB throw their toys out of the cot and stop you doing it as it hurts their bottom line. If you are any good you can make money betting but also if you are any good they try to stop you any way they can. All is fair until you start beating them then they get nasty.

Odds came back after race two but was broken all morning.

Bookies fighting back already by stopping top two and top four bets. Fucking useless website.

Don't worry Brodie world war three has started it will all be over soon

Some great fields at Methven for betting. Bookies haven't got a clue and have tried to keep too many horses safe. Very flat markets mean there is lots of value all day. Time to rip them a new one.

Selectors finally worked out the track bias on the last bet. Well done 😂

Some of the bets they put on tonight were just ridiculous. On a very leader biased track why would you select two horses drawn the outside of the front line and another off a 35m handicap. It was almost as if they were working for the TAB not BGP.

Doesn't Dean Shannon own the slot that won the Race By Grins.... Can probably afford to pay it out of his own pocket now. Might feel sorry for BGP and has thrown them a lifeline. Who knows. I get what you are saying and I agree it does stink a bit.