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Race 8;Auckland Friday night - HR Fisken Anzac Cup Trot for $100k has 13 starters. Interesting fact is that of the. 13 starters in it, only 3 of the trotters are not from the South Island originally. Matty A, Jasinova and the Ozzie seem to be the only non South Island trotters. North Island not producing enough horses now, so the South Island is providing the starters. -
Well done to “ The Box Seat” today that debated about the 2000m stands at Addington! Michael Guerin brought it up and good discussion. Brittany Graham stated that the stands that they actually have in Ozzie, the horses have to STAND!! they discussed that if you draw the few inside spots over 2000m is a major disadvsntage and hard to win from. They discussed the horses on the charge getting a huge advantage. Could Brodie suggest to HRNZ and their starter, that if they card it as a standing starts, then make the horses STAND!! Current situation of how they are being allowed to happen is extremely poor, and if HRNZ thinks it is acceptable then it shows that we are not in good hands!!
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Galah, so what you are saying is that the trainers nowadays are not as good at disciplining their horses compared to decades ago? The reality is that the drivers know that they can get away with having their horses on the move, when the tapes are released by the starter! Lets watch over the next few weeks as to how these so called standing starts are performed! The starter has no respect from the drivers, it clearly can be seen. Will not worry the TAB but I am going to boycott the sprint so called stands as it is just pure gambling and you can not predict who gets the advantage. Would you not think that someone from HRNZ would come out and say something, but highly doubt they will because they are aware that they are not stands, and poorly executed.
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I only take quaddies, usually if there is a few I think paying overs early on. Yes you can take 1%, if you select fixed odds quaddies, those are the divs when bet is placed, otherwise you can select starting price, that’s fixed odds price when race starts. Worth having a look at, especially with tab small pools. You are right, some quin / doubles are poor. -
gammalite would be the expert on those,but i have seen lots of races run from the stands at albion park. But nearly every race i've seen run from a stand has horses starting off handicaps and 95% seem to be for trotters. So obviously queensland run so many for trotters from a stand,compared to their pacers, is because they realise they have to have handicap races to make them a more viable betting proposition.In other words if they ran those races as mobiles with the same horses,the ones off the front wouldn't have much chance. Same reason we have handicaps here .So they recognise as well that not all races can be run as mobiles. And queensland has a different routine when setting their stands. The horses turn in and face the right way,then they bring the tapes across the horses off marks.so the horses are standing still for a lot longer than even peter lamb used to. can you see the big fields at tracks like addington standing there that long? you have pointed to a routine that does work for that state.. The horses over there seem to get used to it and don't play up much. as gammalite pointed out one time,they even have horses side on off the ur when they say go. While that may help some begin,those horses generally always are disadvantaged in my opinon. I don't know why they allow that myself . queensland also often certainly have their share of breakers. Maybe thats a trotting thing for them. but would that work in new zealnad? I think no with the current crop of horses being so used to the current routine. But in the future,yes,but with the proviso that many nz trainers would have to educate their horses better and differently and that any new horse that qualified from a stand would have to prove it could do that.and that would take time to filter through. Maybe they could try it with the trotters first. Having said that ,my guess would be everyone would say,nah,what we had was better anyway..
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