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    • Interesting comments re "the form".  
    • You are 1000% correct. I feel your punting pain/frustration!!!  I've been a better for 50 years, first 10 = right mug!  most driven by subjectivity! next 10: I then got in a position (I started taking the F Flash turn for home shot) and that allowed me (access to the like of the J's room) to slowly bring more objectivity to my punting.  During that time I became very privileged with 'access to info from X jockeys' thoughts on how their horse had just run, learning how so many horse were not able to perform at their best because of the moisture level of said track!  That was energised by being privileged to the reality of how much Mr N Eales put on the state of a track!  Introducing a rule of 'the cure goes back in the rack' when there is rain of the day....  Going through that slow process of 'learning' taught me the skill of Not Betting!  I share that background, as like you I am (was) a serious punter, who has found out that the more and more prior watering has become the norm, the less and less I now bet!  You might recall a few years back some propaganda was coming out from Head Office or Tab?  around some sort of 'Halo Effect',  (I think it was around picking 3 tris in a row!!!!! with a Massive Take out btw) Well once, there was a H,E around me!  I was always be badgered with "got a winner' and sometimes I might! Now a days, lol, I think I've become a 'black hole', more than likely now that if you ask for a winner! You will get a strong lecture about WHY the F would You bet into pool$ on that track! Way to hard! and I recon that form from those meetings are rather questionable going forward! ps. don't get me started about filming of prelims!!!
    • Jantar Mantar, Japan's top 2-year-old colt of 2023, defeated Ascoli Piceno, the top 2-year-old filly of 2023, in the May 5 NHK Mile Cup with the aid of a cutback in distance and some racing luck.View the full article
    • Jantar Mantar (Jpn) (Palace Malice), who was crowned Japan's champion two-year-old colt in 2023, resumed winning ways with a decisive defeat of the unlucky-in-running Ascoli Piceno (Jpn) (Daiwa Major {Jpn}) in Saturday's G1 NHK Mile Cup at Tokyo Racecourse, his fourth win from six career starts. Unbeaten in three starts at two, culminating with a first top-level win in the Asahi Hai Futurity S. at Hanshin, Jantar Mantar had been forced to settle for minor honours on his first two starts as a three-year-old, including when finishing a close-up third behind Justin Milano (Jpn) (Kizuna {Jpn}) and Cosmo Kuranda (Jpn) (Al Ain {Jpn}) in the G1 Satsuki Sho (Japanese 2,000 Guineas) at Nakayama three weeks earlier. That performance–where Jantar Mantar led for much of the straight before being overhauled close home–suggested he would be suited by the drop back to 1,600 metres at Tokyo against Ascoli Piceno (Jpn) (Daiwa Major {Jpn}), Japan's champion two-year-old filly in 2023 and runner-up in the G1 Oka Sho (Japanese 1,000 Guineas) on her previous start. Jantar Mantar broke sharply from a wide stall and was settled in around fifth, never far away from his chief market rival. Both horses moved up to take closer order on the home turn before enduring contrasting fortunes in the straight. Briefly held in by the strong-travelling Jantar Mantar, Ascoli Piceno was switched towards the inside by Christophe Lemaire, but space continued to be at a premium and she stumbled after clipping heels with less than two furlongs to run. She finished strongly once finally seeing some daylight, snatching second from Logi Leon (Jpn) (Leontes {Jpn}) in the final strides, but the damage had already been done and she couldn't get on terms with Jantar Mantar, who was still two and a half lengths clear at the line. It was a seventh Group 1 win for trainer Tomokazu Takano and a twenty-seventh for jockey Yuga Kawada, who was celebrating his second victory in the NHK Mile Cup after that of Danon Scorpion (Jpn) (Lord Kanaloa {Jpn}) in 2022. “I had every confidence in my colt,” said Kawada. “Once we were off, I knew he was going to win, there were no doubts in my mind. He ran in good rhythm and showed his true strength. Concerns of his tight schedule–his latest Satsuki Sho start being only three weeks before–obviously was nothing to be worried about. I hope I can prove he is the best miler in Japan in the future.”     Pedigree Notes Jantar Mantar is one of two top-level winners for his sire, Palace Malice, whose first-crop son Structor won the 2019 GI Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf and was sold to Japanese interests in 2022 for his stallion career. India Mantuana, the dam of Jantar Mantar, produced the best effort of her career when winning the GIII Red Carpet H. at Del Mar in 2018. She was led out unsold on a bid of $145,000 at the 2019 Fasig-Tipton November Sale, before being purchased by Shadai for $100,000, pregnant to Accelerate, at Keeneland January in 2020. She unfortunately aborted that foal and was bred to this sire prior to her export to Japan, where she slipped her Kizuna (Jpn) foal in 2022. She has a yearling filly by Pyro and was covered in 2023 by Isla Bonita (Jpn). Sunday, Tokyo, Japan NHK MILE CUP-G1, ¥253,520,000, Tokyo, 5-5, 3yo, 1600mT, 1:32.40, fm. 1–JANTAR MANTAR (JPN), 126, c, 3, by Palace Malice       1st Dam: India Mantuana (GSW-US, $223,100), by Wilburn       2nd Dam: Speed Wagon, by Tomorrows Cat       3rd Dam: Rajica, by El Baba O-Shadai Race Horse; B-Shadai Farm (Jpn); T-Tomokazu Takano; J-Yuga Kawada; ¥133,864,000. Lifetime Record: Ch. 2yo Colt-Jpn, 6-4-1-1, ¥320,528,000. Werk Nick Rating: A+++ *Triple Plus*. Click for the eNicks report & 5-cross pedigree. Click for the free Equineline.com catalogue-style pedigree. 2–Ascoli Piceno (Jpn), 121, f, 3, by Daiwa Major (Jpn)–Ascolti (Jpn), by Danehill Dancer (Ire). O-Sunday Racing; B-Northern Farm (Jpn); ¥53,104,000. 3–Logi Leon (Jpn), 126, c, 3, by Leontes (Jpn)–B B Barrel (Jpn), by Pyro. 1ST GROUP 1 BLACK TYPE. (¥37,000,000 Ylg '22 JRHAJUL). O-Masaaki Kumeta; B-Bando Farm; ¥33,552,000. Margins: 2HF, NK, NK. Odds: 1.90, 1.90, 27.50. Also Ran: Gonbade Qabus (Jpn), Ipheion (Jpn), Channel Tunnel (Jpn), Di Speranza (Jpn), Water Licht (Jpn), Arsenaal (Jpn), Enya Love Faith (Jpn), Yukino Royal (Jpn), Noble Roger, Danon McKinley (Jpn), Arranger (Jpn), Mask All Win (Jpn), Strauss (Jpn), Bond Girl (Jpn), Captaincy (Jpn). Click for the JRA chart & video. The post Jantar Mantar On Top As Champion Juveniles Lock Horns In NHK Mile Cup appeared first on TDN | Thoroughbred Daily News | Horse Racing News, Results and Video | Thoroughbred Breeding and Auctions. View the full article
    • You do know!  Especially 'in the South', that many were discussed by the way Messara swept into town, Never engaged! (read Gutless) then he put on his Pope hats and claimed.....   Good to see that the Pollyanna society continues to champion the company line! Meanwhile, Rome burns and you still have no clothes...
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